So I have been thinking about this what makes one religion more insane than another one? Take for example, Scientology.

Scientologists ACTUALLY believe the evil alien ruler Xenu killed a lot of aliens (Thetans) from around the universe by bringing them to earth & blowing them up inside volcanoes. They believe the souls of these aliens (these souls are "Body Thetans") have attached themselves to us & cause many of our mental & physical ills. Members who know about Xenu will attempt to deny it or pretend like it doesn’t matter. They are required to sign a contract binding them to silence on the matter. Lower level members don’t know about Xenu & accordingly deny everything because they honestly don’t know.

To rid ourselves of "Body Thetans" & also “engrams” (past negative experiences stored in our unconscious mind) so that we can become “clear”, we have to go through "auditing" with a member of the “church” who uses an "e-meter" to measure our “reactive mind”...... & we have to pay lots & lots of money for “auditing” (purchased in 12.5-hour blocks, costing anywhere from $750 for introductory sessions to between $8,000 & $9,000 for advanced sessions) & to take courses on Scientology to advance to higher “levels” in the “church”. The “church” has also taken a very hostile stance towards psychiatry & psychiatric drugs irrespective of the fact that some people require medication to remain adequately functional in everyday life. They deny the reality of chemical imbalance & profound mental disturbance & accordingly do NOTHING to effectively stabilize the dangerously unstable. The “church” has been known to withhold prescription pharmaceuticals from member (with deadly results).

This may sound completely insane, but how is that more insane than a supernatural being that created the world in 6 days, creates two people who somehow populate the world, then this divine being floods the whole world killing everyone and everything except a man named Noah and his family and of course two of each animal (plus the others for sacrificing)they somehow go years without food or water and then when they finally land somehow Noah can evenly distribute every single animal to its proper location. Then they somehow repopulate the world and somewhere down the road God destroys the city that Lot lives in because there were no moral people there, then he asks Abram to change his name to Abraham, circumcise himself and everyone else (including slaves) then he asks Abraham to sacrifice his only son, but stops him at the last second (to make sure that he fears God) then down the road he leads non-existent Hebrew slaves out of Egypt by casting 10 plagues upon the people of Egypt (which there isn't any evidence of in any Egyptian record), those people then wandered the desert for 40 years and had bread fall from the sky (the mana) and never left a trace of physical evidence of ever being in Egypt or wandering in the desert. Then down the road God "makes" a woman named Mary pregnant with a son. This was supposed to be the son of God, but there are really no first hand accounts of this messiah, but he could heal sick people, make people's arms grow from stumps, walk through walls and buildings, turn water into wine, and rising from the dead.

I am really quite curious as to how any rational person could believe either one of these things, and how someone believing in one can call someone believing in the other insane! Someone please explain this to me.

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@steven price - this is where the anthropic principle comes in - there are perfect places where no people ever were, and there may have been people in places that weren't perfect for them - then by a simple stroke of chance, people showed up at a place that was perfect for them, and here we are, no deity required.

As for Feenstra's cough, could I suggest you offer him a Ricola?

Dick or no dick, you could still benefit from a Ricola, that's a nasty cough --

Wasn't that the plot of Deep Throat, when it was first released?

You're on your own - you're beyond Ricola --

What ISN'T irrational about walking through walls? The forces that hold atoms together are very strong. If you were just a subatomic particle, depending upon what kind of particle you were and the nature of the wall (thickness, material) you'd have a chance, but if you mean going through the wall with both you and the wall maintaining structural integrity, forget it. I suppose I could put you in a cannon and perhaps blast you through the wall depending again on the nature of the wall, but your structural integrity would suffer in the process.

BTW, I don't think they know exactly how much dark matter is in the universe since the estimates vary quite a bit (75% to 95% of the total). The same goes for how big a sphere you would have if you took all of the empty space out of all lof the matter in the universe, anywhere from the size of an orange to a basketball (maybe the latter figures in dark matter). Anyway, the other day I heard Stephen Hawking say that at one time the universe was the size of a single subatomic particle, which seems quite a bit smaller than an orange or basketball, but perhaps that was before all of the matter had come into existence.

(there is also a picture of a sub-atomic particle here, but it's a bit small)

As opposed to a LARGE sub-atomic particle --?

I'd ask if you if you happened to have a pic of one of those, but I know you all too well, you'd find one --

And considering my 300-pound uncle, some relatives are large --

PS, liked the music.

I thought about blowing one up for you - but then

All humans are insane (psychotic). Dark-ages early humans were superstitious to a fault and they created all sorts of entities to give them a sense of safety and hope etc. These beliefs were accepted by the stronger and more powerful among each group and eventually found to be useful to control and manipulate. Later religious beliefs were found to be so powerful on the human psyche as to have many of the most superstitious, retarded, ignorant, and psychotic do anything to curry favor with what in time became surreal or 'seemingly' real "God(s)". The human mind appears to be configured in such a way that it can easily be convince of many unbelievable and strange issues, etc. Humans made sacrifices of animals, humans, trinkets, rocks, etc. to what can only be decribed as figments of their imaginations! But when groups get together and their powerful leaders, chiefs, kings, dictators, medicine men, etc. began to use these beliefs to construct and distort reality for their own gains, many weaker, less imaginative, and retarded people became captives, abused, murdered, plundered, and pillaged under the guise of these false 'God beliefs'.

We can see today that the majority of mankind is psychotic to a level of unbelief! Many disbelieve reality while believing in all sorts of fantasy! Their minds are so easily blocked by false belief that they are unable to comprehend the worse conditions occuring around them and a world sickness that we all inadvertantly contribute to! Now one powerful elitist group is using religion to usurp other nations and other religions in order to control earth's billions of inhabitants and all of 'our' resources. These powerful 'men' are sociopaths and psychopaths, they are psychotic 'hoarders' of wealth and power to a level of (OCD) and feel no remorse for killing men, women, and children to continue accumulating wealth and power! The only way to curtail this ever growing process of murder, plunder, pillage, and slavery is to outlaw the accumulation of wealth and power by single individuals and groups! This problem appears unsolvable because everyone is insane and most seek to be wealthy and powerful to some extent, and most are easily manipulated by fantasy, fiction, lies, secrets, and the lure of riches etc. Also there are not enough competent psychologist to help relieve the billions of very sick people inhabiting our planet. To make matters worse the uber-wealthy are prepared and have set up a great number of projects to block any future efforts to separate them from their wealth and power! They have literally prepared for any objections by preprogramming 'societal norms' to 'think' wrongly and fight against sharing wealth and land with the less fortunate in the world, while they continue to control and 'plunder the world' while using religion and 'God' as merely part of their overly viable tools! The psychotic antics of these warmongering wealthy criminals is overwhelmng the people of the world, but they (the people), are less equipped to protect themselves because their vast levels of psychosis tends to work against them, even as they (erroneously) believe some of their psychotic God beliefs work for them! They are too confused, too assimilated, and much too mentally programmed to see reality and human life as it truly is!

Throwing off the cloak of religious 'God beliefs' is a beginning to improving some of our mental problems, but we also need to study, listen, and learn everything that can possibly point us in the right direction and put us on a path that is opposite to what we have surely been programmed to follow and believe! We are being lied to in the worse ways and because of our psychosis, we have a most difficult time thinking clearly!   The cult leader from that Russia that believes he is Jesus take a look at this link

Although the man dances around answering questions that would pin him down on any particular topic, he seems harmless and his followers appear to be happy. I definitely have issues with girls being taught to be subservient to men, but since roughly 50% of the world feels that way, I can't fault him more than the other 50%.

The secret to being a successful cult leader is charisma, Jim Jones couldn't have persuaded nearly a thousand people to drink poison and encourage their own children to do so as well, without it.02-jones-jim ji.jpg

Koolaid anyone?



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