Who Is More Insane?
Scientologists ACTUALLY believe the evil alien ruler Xenu killed a lot of aliens (Thetans) from around the universe by bringing them to earth & blowing them up inside volcanoes. They believe the souls of these aliens (these souls are "Body Thetans") have attached themselves to us & cause many of our mental & physical ills. Members who know about Xenu will attempt to deny it or pretend like it doesn’t matter. They are required to sign a contract binding them to silence on the matter. Lower level members don’t know about Xenu & accordingly deny everything because they honestly don’t know.
To rid ourselves of "Body Thetans" & also “engrams” (past negative experiences stored in our unconscious mind) so that we can become “clear”, we have to go through "auditing" with a member of the “church” who uses an "e-meter" to measure our “reactive mind”...... & we have to pay lots & lots of money for “auditing” (purchased in 12.5-hour blocks, costing anywhere from $750 for introductory sessions to between $8,000 & $9,000 for advanced sessions) & to take courses on Scientology to advance to higher “levels” in the “church”. The “church” has also taken a very hostile stance towards psychiatry & psychiatric drugs irrespective of the fact that some people require medication to remain adequately functional in everyday life. They deny the reality of chemical imbalance & profound mental disturbance & accordingly do NOTHING to effectively stabilize the dangerously unstable. The “church” has been known to withhold prescription pharmaceuticals from member (with deadly results).
This may sound completely insane, but how is that more insane than a supernatural being that created the world in 6 days, creates two people who somehow populate the world, then this divine being floods the whole world killing everyone and everything except a man named Noah and his family and of course two of each animal (plus the others for sacrificing)they somehow go years without food or water and then when they finally land somehow Noah can evenly distribute every single animal to its proper location. Then they somehow repopulate the world and somewhere down the road God destroys the city that Lot lives in because there were no moral people there, then he asks Abram to change his name to Abraham, circumcise himself and everyone else (including slaves) then he asks Abraham to sacrifice his only son, but stops him at the last second (to make sure that he fears God) then down the road he leads non-existent Hebrew slaves out of Egypt by casting 10 plagues upon the people of Egypt (which there isn't any evidence of in any Egyptian record), those people then wandered the desert for 40 years and had bread fall from the sky (the mana) and never left a trace of physical evidence of ever being in Egypt or wandering in the desert. Then down the road God "makes" a woman named Mary pregnant with a son. This was supposed to be the son of God, but there are really no first hand accounts of this messiah, but he could heal sick people, make people's arms grow from stumps, walk through walls and buildings, turn water into wine, and rising from the dead.
I am really quite curious as to how any rational person could believe either one of these things, and how someone believing in one can call someone believing in the other insane! Someone please explain this to me.
Tags: Atheism, Belief, Christianity, Discussion, Insanity, Rational, Religion, Scientology, Thinking
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on -
And considering my 300-pound uncle, some relatives are large --
PS, liked the music.
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Permalink Reply by Jimmie W. Johnson-Gadson on -
All humans are insane (psychotic). Dark-ages early humans were superstitious to a fault and they created all sorts of entities to give them a sense of safety and hope etc. These beliefs were accepted by the stronger and more powerful among each group and eventually found to be useful to control and manipulate. Later religious beliefs were found to be so powerful on the human psyche as to have many of the most superstitious, retarded, ignorant, and psychotic do anything to curry favor with what in time became surreal or 'seemingly' real "God(s)". The human mind appears to be configured in such a way that it can easily be convince of many unbelievable and strange issues, etc. Humans made sacrifices of animals, humans, trinkets, rocks, etc. to what can only be decribed as figments of their imaginations! But when groups get together and their powerful leaders, chiefs, kings, dictators, medicine men, etc. began to use these beliefs to construct and distort reality for their own gains, many weaker, less imaginative, and retarded people became captives, abused, murdered, plundered, and pillaged under the guise of these false 'God beliefs'.
We can see today that the majority of mankind is psychotic to a level of unbelief! Many disbelieve reality while believing in all sorts of fantasy! Their minds are so easily blocked by false belief that they are unable to comprehend the worse conditions occuring around them and a world sickness that we all inadvertantly contribute to! Now one powerful elitist group is using religion to usurp other nations and other religions in order to control earth's billions of inhabitants and all of 'our' resources. These powerful 'men' are sociopaths and psychopaths, they are psychotic 'hoarders' of wealth and power to a level of (OCD) and feel no remorse for killing men, women, and children to continue accumulating wealth and power! The only way to curtail this ever growing process of murder, plunder, pillage, and slavery is to outlaw the accumulation of wealth and power by single individuals and groups! This problem appears unsolvable because everyone is insane and most seek to be wealthy and powerful to some extent, and most are easily manipulated by fantasy, fiction, lies, secrets, and the lure of riches etc. Also there are not enough competent psychologist to help relieve the billions of very sick people inhabiting our planet. To make matters worse the uber-wealthy are prepared and have set up a great number of projects to block any future efforts to separate them from their wealth and power! They have literally prepared for any objections by preprogramming 'societal norms' to 'think' wrongly and fight against sharing wealth and land with the less fortunate in the world, while they continue to control and 'plunder the world' while using religion and 'God' as merely part of their overly viable tools! The psychotic antics of these warmongering wealthy criminals is overwhelmng the people of the world, but they (the people), are less equipped to protect themselves because their vast levels of psychosis tends to work against them, even as they (erroneously) believe some of their psychotic God beliefs work for them! They are too confused, too assimilated, and much too mentally programmed to see reality and human life as it truly is!
Throwing off the cloak of religious 'God beliefs' is a beginning to improving some of our mental problems, but we also need to study, listen, and learn everything that can possibly point us in the right direction and put us on a path that is opposite to what we have surely been programmed to follow and believe! We are being lied to in the worse ways and because of our psychosis, we have a most difficult time thinking clearly!
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Permalink Reply by Jorita on -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cv5hZfOmk The cult leader from that Russia that believes he is Jesus take a look at this link
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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Although the man dances around answering questions that would pin him down on any particular topic, he seems harmless and his followers appear to be happy. I definitely have issues with girls being taught to be subservient to men, but since roughly 50% of the world feels that way, I can't fault him more than the other 50%.
The secret to being a successful cult leader is charisma, Jim Jones couldn't have persuaded nearly a thousand people to drink poison and encourage their own children to do so as well, without it.
Koolaid anyone?
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on -
Well, let's not forget that JJ also had a team of die-hard enforcers standing around the perimeter with guns who would shoot anyone who tried to escape or didn't die by lethal noncarbonated soft drink.
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Permalink Reply by steven price on -
what urges u to want to tell @3 billion people all their beliefs,hopes,security in an afterlife is wrong,why does it bother u ?why do u need to be heard?power?saviourthe need to inform ppl of their foolishness?maybe compassion that u can help all the deluded?love?,hatred?...what drives u?,if u think they r all crazy deluded ppl looking 4 a purpose that u say/know that`s not there what is your mission,agenda,purpose?why does something that does not exit need u to comment on it.....only u know mate
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on
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What I said was:
Well, let's not forget that JJ also had a team of die-hard enforcers standing around the perimeter with guns who would shoot anyone who tried to escape or didn't die by lethal noncarbonated soft drink.
I'm wondering how your illiterate adolescent rant has anything to do with what I wrote. If your question is to all of the atheists here, use the white box at the top of the page just under the original post.
But to tackle your question just a bit, are all of the religion-driven massacres, genocides, child abuses, suicides and murders just a small price to pay for people fooling themselves into thinking there's an all-powerful magical overlord who has a paradise waiting for them?
For me, no.
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Permalink Reply by steven price on
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you love that u can chat clever, if I sound like a teenager aving a rant,you sound like a snobby child who gets off looking down @ us less intelligent of the human race.Anyway one of us is right and 1 day we`ll both get the answer, .Iknow 1 thing thats not for me your shades man,what they all about
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Permalink Reply by Milos Cakovan on -
According to his profile he is "Christian". The non denominational brand of modern day Christian since he was also "never part of any religion."
Possibly like Bill O'Riley, since Christianity is a philosophy after all.
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Permalink Reply by steven price on
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no
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