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Permalink Reply by Tex on January 7, 2012 at 1:16pm

I make it a point not to discuss politics or religion, we'll one out of two isn't so bad. 

But i will say this, I think their all a frightening prospect.

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Permalink Reply by Danny Sanchez on January 7, 2012 at 2:59pm

I really wish Americans would take their blinders off and see that there are more than two political parties in this country. This is why we have candidates that are running under a party that they probably should not even belong to but have to because if your not in one of the two your not going to get elected.

Because of this bullshit that brainwashes americans I used to think I was a democrat. I thought well they seem to be the party of the working class and minorities(I come from a blue collar mexican family). After some research and some John Stossel and Penn Jillet I figured out I am a libertarian.

I am very socially liberal and because of my atheism I do not care for any religious based moralities poisoning my government. I am also economically conservative. I enjoy working in a small business and I hope to very soon have my own. I've seen first hand how devastating regulations can be to a small business. It doesn't cost much for a large corporation to pay thousands of dollars to have an auditor come and inspect their plant but how is a small business with two machines in a garage suppose to afford to get an ISO certification or FDA approval(that's right even though your tax dollars pay for it they also charge the businesses they inspect) to manufacture medical devices not to mention fines from EPA regulations. I'm not talking about fines for hurting the environment but fines for not having the proper documentation. Most small business care more about the environment because they usually live in the same community of their business. Those assholes at the EPA don't care if your hurting the environment they just make sure your paperwork is filled out and they leave. The big guys can afford extra office persons to handle the paper work and even pay the fines if they are doing something wrong. It seems to me that many regulations just create more bureaucracy in government, slightly increase a large business overhead, and kills small business.

sorry kind of went off to the side a bit... quickly back to the original topic...

Grow a pair and vote for a party that best fits your ideals. Yes I know if you don't vote for Obama then you could end up with one of Loony Tunes from the Republican party but if we all voted for what we really want wouldn't we end up with the better average of what this country wants. You might say my vote is meaningless because my candidate will never get elected but I say it's your vote that is meaningless because it has no conviction, significance, or heart.

Oh.... I dream of the day when we elect a president with a majority of less than 40%.

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Permalink Reply by Danny Sanchez on January 7, 2012 at 5:58pm

Thanks David I agree with your political views too except I think that Colbert might be a closet atheist. It's hard to tell because his personal views get mixed up with the views of his satyrical persona.

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Permalink Reply by Aryzona Kelley on January 7, 2012 at 7:25pm

I would rather have an incompetent, do-no, Democrat as president, than a narcissistic, cater to the rich, Republican.

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Permalink Reply by Mike on January 7, 2012 at 11:10pm

I love it when I hear politicians say "God Bless America."  A country founded on genocide, built by slavery and currently ruled by greed.  Our main export is war.  We have the highest homicide rate of any developed country, highest incarceration rate of any industrialized country. 

I guess on retrospect it is exactly what their god likes in a people.

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Permalink Reply by erik112358 on January 7, 2012 at 11:14pm

And a disproportionately large percentage of the incarcerated are theists.

God bless us.  God bless us, everyone.

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Permalink Reply by Sassan K. on January 8, 2012 at 5:38am

Our country was founded on liberty and freedom. You give no credit to great thinkers in such people who helped found our country as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, James Madison, John Adams to cite a few of the more astute individuals. In addition, we were much less violent towards the Native Americans than the Spaniards or "later Mexicans" were. Over 90% of the Native American population died not through genocide, but through European disease as the Native American population had never built the antibodies necessary for these diseases since they had not come into contact with western civilization prior to that point in history.

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Permalink Reply by Mike on January 8, 2012 at 10:11am

How many of those great thinkers espousing freedom and liberty owned slaves?  How much liberty and freedom did women in this country have before they could even own property and vote. 

We were founded on an abstract idea of freedom and liberty but every step we have taken to established those liberties have been fought tooth and nail.  Usually by the people who claim the highest level of patriotism and have the flag wrapped around themselves the tightest,

Yes the native americans died more of disease than battle.  Which is actually true of most wars, including WWI and WWII.  Of course handing out blanket purposely laced with small pox didn't help at all.  How about that, the God Blessed morally superior American Government with the first example of biological warfare.

Even today, who fights harder against equal rights of women and homosexuals more that the piously patriotic right wing? The 'real americans.'

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Permalink Reply by Danny Sanchez on January 8, 2012 at 12:25pm

Agreed Mike, and @Sassan you can't compare what the US did with Spaniards and Mexicans because by evidence of our dark skin we mixed with the natives and combined our cultures and Mexico still has a large population of Natives Americans unlike the US which has a scattered few in reservations.

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Permalink Reply by Sassan K. on January 8, 2012 at 1:30pm

What does mixing have to do with anything? Genocide took place on levels one cannot even fathom. Some people talk about Columbus like he was the most "evil killer" when in fact he did little killing. Go look up the Spanish thugs Vasco da Gama, Vasco Nunez de Balboa, and Ferdinand Magellan who were personally sent by the King of Spain to KILL and wipe out.

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Permalink Reply by erik112358 on January 8, 2012 at 4:06pm

So are we keeping score?  Should we start a tally?  

Indians were treated horribly all over the Americas.  Just because some of us criticize our nation's ugly bits doesn't mean we're ignoring bad stuff others have done.

Ultimately, none of this has anything to do with the 2012 presidential election.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on January 8, 2012 at 4:55pm

Pizarro was no sweetheart, either.

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