I started a manifesto explaining life and the universe that was based on that there is no Devine Creator, no God. It also was based on no presence of mystical energies or reincarnation of "life force/soul" entities. I began with the title "The new odd atheist bible."


This is my odd way of introducing me as new around here. So if the discussion I am starting is redundant let me know and I will pull it off the board. As you see I stole from Micheal S. with respect to the title. Thank you M.S. - fellow A-person.



Actually I did publish a preliminary manifesto, The Odd Average Atheist Bible on lulu, but I need to redo it a litltle. In it, I am mostly kind and good natured to Christian and Jewish religion and a bit kind to former myth religion. But hear here, I can let loose a couple of critisms.


Bug Me 1 - the smug attitude that if they err wrong and against tenents of their religion, it does not matter in the long run because "if they have faith then no matter what they go to heaven."


Bug Me 2 - Lying and planning contigient lies lead to rape, murder, theft, war. Yet the "holy bible" is wholly hazy about the need for 100% honesty in interpersonal relations, in international relations. Is the stongest language something like "thou shalt not tell untruths about neighbors?"


Bug Me 3 - If there was a god, it is against reason for people to pray for a team to "make a first down". A corrolary to this is the amount of wasted human brain power is spent praying. I am a true atheist and there is no thing to pray to for wants and needs. I hope, I hope against all hope (for fate to act unusual). That's it.


Bug Me 4 - The stupid Pope is perverted. For years to "shock discourse" I would state that humanity could be explained by the statement "the Pope is perverted." As everone knew the Pope was not perverted it made me defend my position. It was the Pope was a tiny tiny bit perverted whereas someone like Charles Manson was very very perverted whereas someone like me was just an average person with about average perversions. My point being we are all endowed with all human traits, just to a different degree. Now I find out the priests are perverted sort of often.


Bug Me 5 - In this manifesto I wrote, I bring up that civilization is teetering on Population Growth Chaos. It is not pretty. Math says when in chaos, in a century it could happen 6 billion more people will die than are born. With that is the risk civilization is replaced by barbarianism. God beleivers and their leaders irresponsibly promote more babies.


Bug Me 6 - If suicide is necessary to make relevant a "god/religion" that is irrelevant or persecuted, than please make it a spectacle that kills only the suicidee.


Please, I need new angles on the question if you have time. thx.



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The behavior that bugs me most about (the Biblical) God is his hypocrisy.

Thou shalt not kill.
Wipe out this or that city and everybody in it . . . except, maybe, the virgin women.

Plus . . .

Visiting curses and/or blessing on the descendants of those who earned them. WTF? How is that fair?

And what about original sin? I'm no more responsible for Eve's mistakes than I am for Hillary Clinton's!!
Best response!

The bible of christians/jews and the other work called the Koran, and the other attempts - they all are beginning to resemble fictional accounts much like Homer's Illiad.

A book I just finished is Freud's "The Future of an Illusion" written more than 100 years ago. He argues with himself whether the belief in God is a delusion or illusion and allows that at least it is an illusion. He argues it is time to end the fiction.

If you have read the whole bible you may want to read another great diatribe against god. It is called "God Knows" by Joeseph Heller (of Catch 22 fame). It is written from the voice of David (the Goliath killer and later King of the Jewish). This David says over and over, God lies and cannot be trusted.
"Future of an illusion," that is a great book, and a pretty quick read.  Frued calls religion a "Social Neurosis," that he recommends society cure itself of.
What annoys me is that Christianity very clearly teaches that without faith and baptisim a person is damned to hell (Mark 16:16) but God loves you! (John 3:16) ...Really? :-I
Yes, Ghandi is being tortured in a lake of fire as we speak.
In Future Shock by Alan T., he predicts fracturing of big populations into myth based factions/cults. You are right, it is buggy for people to believe thing as you cite or as I cite a group that thinks the universe was created at a mountain in California because of an old Indian religion. That is, believing in nonsense.
No, Ghandi won't be cast into the fires of hell until after the rapture followed by the 1,000-year reign of Jesus.
It bugs me when god is prayed to and asked to intervene cure a disease that he clearly invented and gave to an individual.

It also bugs me when the bible is used to defend a position such as the evils of homosexuality, but ignored when it suggests immoral behavior as in genocide, rape, stoning, etc. When it backs them up, its the word of god....when it doesn't, its subject to interpretation and symbolic language written in ancient times by man..blah blah, blah.
Confirmation Bias. It is particularly common amongst believers, but certainly not limited to them.
When something bad happens in the bible, God is doing it to test his followers.
Everything that happens that's bad is supposedly "a test", or god's divine plan. Its like they're always making excuses for his fuck ups.

I forgot to mention I also hate when they rattle off their "facts" that they learned from their creationist sites without ever validating any of it.


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