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Jean Marie

which atheist are you? THE FIVE TRIBAL STAGES OF ATHEISM

i found this online, and found it fascinating.

 

I just read an interesting post on The Mouse Trap blog about the five tribal stages, and as I was reading about each stage [scroll down to read an excerpt summarizing the stages], it made me think of different attitudes towards atheism that I've seen in people I know. So without further ado, I give you, the Five Stages of Tribal Atheism:

1. Atheist finds herself in a world dominated by religion (often Christianity or Islam). She feels alone and misunderstood and often angry at her circumstances, and seeks out similar people for protection and companionship.

2. Atheist forms a protectionist bubble around himself (into which only similar-minded people are allowed), from which he can sit and pass judgment on everyone outside it. He doesn't want to step outside his bubble to enact change, he simply wants the Powers That Be to leave him alone. [Edit: or as one commenter put it: I know what I think, and f- you all.]

3. Atheist sets out to struggle with what she sees as the force of opposition. She prefers to work on her own in this, seeing "winning" each encounter with a theist as a personal goal for herself to achieve. She is easily disappointed by the perceived lack of competence in other atheists at similar encounters with theists.

4. Atheist is motivated to join up with other atheists to act as a social force against the religious majority. He'll often donate his time and money to political organizations focused on separation of church and state, and attempt to motivate less passionate atheists to join his cause.

5. Atheist sees her atheism as part of the greater good of humanity. She is less concerned about personal survival or winning against an opponent, but instead focuses on personal fulfillment and communal harmony in a world without any gods.

Which stage(s) do you see yourself in? Which famous atheists do you think best represent each step?

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Sandy Gautam describes first David Logan's five tribal stages, then his own five:

stage 1: Despairing Hostility :“Life sucks”: If people at Stage One had T-shirts, they would read “life sucks,” and what comes out of their mouths support this adage. People at this stageare despairingly hostile, and they band together to get ahead in a violent and unfair world.

stage 2: Apathetic Victim:
“My life sucks”: People in this cultural stage are passively antagonistic; they cross their arms in judgment yet never really get interested enough to spark any passion. Their laughter is quietly sarcastic and resigned. The Stage Two talk is that they’ve seen it all before and watched it all fail. A person at Stage Two will often try to protect his or her people from the intrusion of management. The mood that results from Stage Two’s theme, “my life sucks,” is a cluster of apathetic victims.

stage 3: Lone Warrior: “I’m great (and you’re not)”
: People at Stage Three have to win, and for them winning is personal. They’ll outwork and outthink their competitors on an individual basis. The mood that results is a collection of “lone warriors,” wanting help and support and being continually disappointed that others don’t have their ambition or skill. Because they have to do the tough work (remembering that others just aren’t as savvy), their complaint is that they don’t have enough time or competent support.

stage 4 : Tribal Pride :“We’re great (and they’re not)”
: A “we’re great” tribe always has an adversary— the need for it is hardwired into the DNA of this cultural stage. In fact, the full expression of the theme is “we’re great, and they’re not.” For USC football, the “you’re not” is usually UCLA (and in good years, whichever team is contending for the national championship). For Apple’s operating systems engineers, it’s Microsoft (although this is changing as Apple has moved to using Intel processors). Often, it’s another group within the company. A tribe will seek its own competitor, and the only one who has influence over the target is the Tribal Leader.The rule for Stage Four is this: the bigger the foe, the more powerful the tribe.

stage 5 :Innocent Wonderment: “Life is great”:
Stage Five’s T-shirt would read “life is great,” and they haven’t been doing illicit substances. Their language revolves around infinite
potential and how the group is going to make history—not to beat a competitor, but because doing so will make a global impact. This group’s mood is “innocent wonderment,” with people in competition with what’s possible, not with another tribe.

The first stage is pretty much about survival and safety and getting together to outsmart the cruel environment.
The second stage is more personal and (non) motivational in nature.
The third stage is about accomplishment and has an achievement focus.
The fourth is the most tribal with social focus and a visible ‘enemy’ or competitor tribe.
The fifth stage has an imaginative and innovative focus.

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Only five?

How about "Atheist finds herself in a world dominated by religion and wonders how people ever fell for these ridiculous ideas and concepts. As far as the greater good of humanity she thinks it is better to live your life based on reality rather than waiting for the tooth fairy to put coins under her pillow".

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Doone, you did it!! YOu've created a 6th level!! ha ha!!

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Do you think it depends upon what age you are, or how long you've been an atheist? Or are we at different stages back and forth in our lives?

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Kat, that is interesting thing to wonder about. I'd think that could be a factor, as well as our basic personality type anyway.

Some could be an atheist for decades and still be at level one...some could be a new atheist and be at level 5.
I would bet most of us go back and forth between the various levels...but, Kat, i do think you are right, that is a factor. I know as the decades have gone by for me, my interests at various things atheist has shifted.
I can sometimes read a post and guess the age group of the poster...i'm usually pretty accurate, ha ha!!

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i'm at stage 5 :Innocent Wonderment: “Life is great”

and the stage 6 of doone heheheheheh

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