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Permalink Reply by James on March 9, 2013 at 10:05pm

I actually just wrote a blog about this: http://www.brainhulklogicsmash.blogspot.com/2013/03/where-are-hones...

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Yesterday (March 8, 2013), Damon Linker published an article entitled "Where are the honest atheists?" His opinion piece was that many of the atheist books out there are just more of the same repeated over and over, but that if godlessness is true, that it is also terrible and that we are unwilling to even consider that thought. Is that true? I don't think so. I for one have considered the possibilities and favorability if 'religion A' were true, if 'religion B' were true, if 'religion C were true' and if atheism were true. But the important thing is that none of that matters to what is true. Would I find it to be awesome if it was true that I'd be reincarnated after my death? Absolutely I would! But me liking the idea holds no bearing on if it is the truth or not. The simple fact is that as far as we know thus far, all signs point to death being it for us. Do not pass go, don't collect $100. But even then, I don't think that spells out the terrible world that Linker thinks it would.

His story goes on to say this:

It's quite another to claim, as these authors also invariably do, that godlessness is not only true but also unambiguously good for human beings. It quite obviously is not.

If atheism is true, it is far from being good news. Learning that we're alone in the universe, that no one hears or answers our prayers, that humanity is entirely the product of random events, that we have no more intrinsic dignity than non-human and even non-animate clumps of matter, that we face certain annihilation in death, that our sufferings are ultimately pointless, that our lives and loves do not at all matter in a larger sense, that those who commit horrific evils and elude human punishment get away with their crimes scot free — all of this (and much more) is utterly tragic.

I must say that I quite disagree with Linker's assertion that us being alone in the universe or not being the center of everything diminishes life to a lowly pointless and worthless state. Actually, I think it makes life all the more grand! Am I being dishonest with myself as Damon would argue? I don't think so.

First of all, atheism does not tell us we're alone in the universe. Atheism does opine that there is no ever-present deity watching over us, but as for life in the universe, there's no 'party line' stance on that subject. Actually, I'd say that the major religions are the ones that would say we are alone in the universe, save their favored invisible book keep and guidance counselor. Christianity places the Earth and humanity at the center of creation and leaves it assumed the we are it. Atheism on the other hand, wouldn't denounce the idea that there could be other life far out in the cosmos. Actually, I'd be one of those that thinks that it's pretty likely that we are not the only life among the stars. Do I think that extra-terrestrials ever visited Earth or abducted anyone? No, no I don't. But given the vast numbers of galaxies, starts and planets out there, I find it hard to believe that life would only happen once. Actually, if there is other life out there, I bet they are also asking the question of if they are alone in the universe.

Next, lets look at the statement that atheism means that no one listens to or answers prayers... Well, you got us on this one. But no one is answering you prayers anyway, so why fight reality? Plus, if you are Christian and opine that your god is omniscient, then prayer is pointless anyway. But would it be a good thing if prayers were answered? Well... that depends. Perhaps you pray for good things for others, and get what you want. Okay, that's fine. But what of people praying for selfish things, or even ill will on others? If these people got their way, how could you sat that was a good thing? I don't think that prayer actually working would be all that great. But since we know that prayer does not work, lets look at the fact that the concept diminishes the hard work and effort of real people. So you pray for that promotion, but then work hard and get it. Then you give all the credit to your prayers being answered and your god. The sad fact being is that you are selling yourself short, since it was your effort that got you the promotion, and not murmuring to your bedroom ceiling at night. Your god is not great, you are simple capable of so much more than you give yourself credit for. And in my opinion, that is far more sad than the prospect of prayer being pointless.

Linker also states that 'humanity is entirely the product of random events'... Sounds like someone missed the class on evolution back in his school days. At least, I'm assuming he's referring to the old apologist canard that evolution reduces humanity to a product of random chance, and thus reduces the meaning of humanity. The trouble is that evolution is not random chance. Sure, mutations may be random, but natural selection is certainly NOT random. Evolution by natural selection selects for traits that are best fitted for the environment that these individuals find themselves in. These slightly better fitted individuals are more likely to survive and reproduce. This passes on their genes with greater success than those that are less fitted, and don't survive or reproduce at as great a pace. Over time, there is a shifting in the population as the available gene pool becomes more and more concentrated with the more favorable genes. Then consider that this process never stops and you can easily see that the path that eventually led to humanity is very possible, and far from the result of just some random chance.Furthermore, the fact that we evolved as far as we have and weren't 'created' in no way takes any grandeur away from life. I see it as a spectacular gift that didn't have to happen, rather than the whim of some deity.

Next is his statement that this means that 'we have no more intrinsic dignity than non-human and even non-animate clumps of matter'. Really?! I mean, seriously now? How does not being a 'special creation' mean that we are the same as a rock or a rat? Does the path to humanity really in any way change the value of humanity? I certainly don't think so. Being human has value through what we can do and have done. Through what we've accomplished and will accomplish. Though we were not purposely created,  being human still means so much! In the eyes of the universe, we may hold as much importance as pond algae. But from a local perspective, that conclusion does not match with an Earthly view. We may not be THE reason all is here, but we can certainly have quite more of an impact than that aforementioned algae. We can care for others. We can have a profound impact on the environment. We can reach for the stars, and can build our knowledge for the benefit of following generations. Sure, there is no grand purpose for our being, but to suggest that this equates us to a chunk of quartz is a horribly narrow minded view of what life without a creator means.

Then there's the grand-daddy statement that 'we face certain annihilation in death, that our sufferings are ultimately pointless, that our lives and loves do not at all matter in a larger sense'. This is certainly a statement that I couldn't disagree with much more. Yes, we face annihilation in death. But is that so terrible? To me, eternity would be far more maddening (as I have covered in this earlier post). The only favorable version of afterlife to me would be reincarnation. But is death being the end so bad? If what I think about death is true, than death will be just like before I was ever born. Did my non-existence cause me any troubles twenty years before I was ever conceived? No, of course not! So why should my non-existence after I die be any different than that? Sure, the idea of no longer being may be saddening or unsettling to a degree, but does that make it a terrible fate? I'd argue that it doesn't.

Part of my reason for this has to do with why I disagree with his assertion that our lives and sufferings are pointless and our lives without meaning if what I believe is correct. Problem is, I am far too full of gratitude to entertain the thought of being dealt a bad hand simply because I will one day die. This is because I am alive and have been living the gift of life! When we look at the number of people in the world and the complexities of genetics, the number of 'potential people' is staggering. Had the genes been different there could have been someone smarter than Einstein, a playwright more brilliant than Shakespeare, or even an Olympian that could have shattered all records with ease. But instead of those possibilities, it is I that won what Richard Dawkins has referred to as the 'lottery of life'.

I could just as easily not been born as well. Had my parents not met as they did and when they did, had their parents not met as they did... back, generation after generation, I simply wouldn't be here. Or I would be a different 'me' than the 'me' that I am today. I am too preoccupied with the overwhelming gratitude of my own existence to feel that I'm facing a disservice to on day die and simply be no more. One day I will die, but before that day, I get to live. I get to live love and experience this life to the fullest while there are those other 'potential people' who were never even conceived, let alone get the chance to experience life. As I see it, death is the price I will eventually have to pay for living this amazing and fulfilling gift we call life. If you ask me, that's a small price to pay, and far from what Linker calls a 'terrible reality'.

Then there is his thought that our lives and sufferings do not matter because we don't have some grand predestined purpose for our lives. Such a self centric view of reality is quite arrogant. So what if we aren't the center of everything? So what if there's not some grand plan that you're here for? In what way does 'it all' not being about you take away from the meaning of life. True, there's no predetermined meaning, but a finite godless life can still have plenty of meaning. I get to live my life. I get to love my wife. Our cats will make us laugh, and also upset when they break something. There may be bumps in the road of life that we have to get past, but ultimately make the good time feel all the better. How does this life have no meaning when I wake up every morning, look in my wife's eyes, tell her that I love her, and have her say that she loves me back. How can you argue that a creator-less life makes this experience meaningless? Sure, one day we will both be dead and gone. In the vast expanse of history we may be forgotten. But so what if we aren't remembered. Here and now, we are living a wonderful and meaningful life. To me, now is what matter, and exemplifies that this non-theistic life truly is a meaningful one.

Now, one thing that I will give him is that he says that if there is no afterlife, than if someone breaks the law and is never caught, they will get away with it and never be punished. For the sake of argument, we are going to assume that the offender is not faced with crushing guilt. So he would be right that the 'bad guy' would end up going unpunished, since he would just die like everyone else, and wouldn't find himself in Hell. But then again, there is no Hell anyway, so it's a moot point really... The simple fact is that though he is right, that's the truth of the matter. Life isn't always fair, and justice isn't always done. But this certainly doesn't mean that we should just give up and make up a story to make us feel better about the problem. Rather, we should work to improve our justice system so that fewer and fewer offenders go unpunished.

 Somehow Mr. Linker goes as far to call this godless view of life 'utterly tragic'. As I hope I have illustrated above, this bleak view of a non-theistic life is far from justified. He says that the 'honest atheist' will admit that this kind of existence is a sad, cold, pitiful one. However, I feel as though I am being honest and painting a far more positive picture that the one Linker was painting. Sure, this life isn't the picture perfect fantasy we may want it to be. But this doesn't make any other view of life 'tragic'. I'd wager that this life rooted in reality is an amazingly magical and positive one, despite the sad conclusions of our poorly reasoned columnist. So I say, embrace the reality of life and death, and seize the gift of life while you still can.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 10, 2013 at 12:09am

James - very well reasoned, and very well written. The only thing I would add to that, that I noticed you neglected to touch on, was the demeaning implication from the Judeo/Christian/Islamic religion that we are born evil, that we are forever creatures without value, whereas without the blinders provided by religion, we can see the beauty that lies within the lives of everyone we survey, no matter how deeply buried it might be. Despite the contentions of religion, we have value, to ourselves and to the people we touch in life.

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Permalink Reply by James on March 10, 2013 at 12:16pm

Very good point. I think I might add that to my blog... But you are absolutely right! It is quite hypocritical for the followers of the Abrahamic to claim that we are the ones reducing the value of life when they are the ones that say that everyone is born a disgusting dirty sinner worthy of eternal torment. How is that picture supposed to be more pleasant than the idea that we simply cease to be, again? Yeah, endless torture is so much better than not being... It's amazing that these people can actually argue this with a clear conscience.

Plus I just thought of another point. I can't even grant him his conclusion that a world with an actual afterlife as being more just than one without. He is simply assuming that the person who gets away with his crimes will go to Hell. But what if they are genuinely repentant? According to doctrine, they would have their crimes forgiven by Jesus and would be rewarded with life in Heaven rather than being punished.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Griffin on March 10, 2013 at 1:04pm

It's a good point, for sure. Where does Biblical Justice fall in the realm of Modern Justice? Consider the story of The Binding: God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac, and Abraham acted upon this. Followers of Christianity, Judaism, and the Islamic faith all have a version of this story. It is celebrated and discussed with much reverence.

Fast-forward to 2003, where God apparently also spoke to a Texas woman named Deanna Laney, and told her to bash her three children in the head with a rock. Will we tell stories of her deeds five thousand years from now? Or will we shake our heads at the tragic results of this person's insanity? I doubt many believers would think that God actually spoke to Ms. Laney, but they do believe God spoke to Abraham, although there is little difference between the two stories -- except Abraham stopped before doing the deed, and Ms. Laney did not. So whose faith was stronger? Or who was more insane?

Our "Christian Nation" decided Ms. Laney was insane. But today in Sunday Schools across the country, Christian children will sing songs about Father Abraham:

"Father Abraham had many sons; many sons had Father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you; So let's all praise the Lord."

Yea, and let's hope that God doesn't ask Abraham to make an example of one of us. 

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 10, 2013 at 1:44pm

Read the binding story carefully, Tim - you'll find that the crazy old coot got up early in the morning, before anyone was awake to stop him, and after the event, he and Sarah never lived together again. My guess is, all his clothes were out there on a sand dune somewhere - been there --

And if anyone has any romantic ideas about the idyllic lifestyle of a Hebrew nomadic sheepherder, this is what his life would have been like:

Anybody really think they ought to base a religion on this guy?

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 10, 2013 at 1:17pm

Further James, most Islamists believe they are going to have their 72 virgins (there is a separate, bargain-basement heaven for females), and most Christians see themselves skipping hand in hand through fields of flowers with their loved ones, but a thorough reading of the Bible reveals that only a small percentage of those ever born, will actually go to heaven, and the entire purpose of their being there, is to praise god eternally, no skipping, no passing "Go", no $200, and no Union to arbitrate for better working conditions.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 10, 2013 at 12:22am

Here, James, feel free to steal this - I did --

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Permalink Reply by Joop Kruisselbrink on March 10, 2013 at 1:05am

An atheist becoming.

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Permalink Reply by Yahweh on March 10, 2013 at 1:09am

This guy is basically saying that an average person won't be smart enough to say "yeah it's wrong to take people's stuff". he's basically saying we're all a bunch of idiots who have subpar intelligence and it'd be beyond our capabilities to formulate a basic moral system. 

It's obvious there's going to be bad and good people..

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 10, 2013 at 2:29am

There are a lot of Anti-Social people in society. Dangerous people. As many as lefthanders. Your next door neighbour even. Imagine how many there were back in the Bronze Age.

I reckon that the warnings in the bible might have been aimed at the dishonest people in the community, not the honest ones.

telling a psychopath that its wrong to steal wouldnt stop him... but threatened punishment from an angry God might do the trick.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 10, 2013 at 4:16am

With all due respect, Angela, I really don't see how ordering a man stoned for working on the Sabbath falls into that grand plan. There are over 600 commandments in the Torah, 637 I believe, but don't hold me to that, and I can't possibly believe there are over 600 varieties of actual evil in the world.

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 10, 2013 at 4:41am

Well, maybe psychopaths of the time were coming up with a lot of the cruel and unusual pinishments because we know that sane people dont think like that and sane people dont kill people who work on Sundays nor do sane people tear children apart just because they called someone "baldy". Only insane people do that.

I reckon all that other stuff like over 600 commandments etc is just smoke and mirrors ... gobbledygook

Its insane and brilliant. Its like one of those choose your own adventure books ..

 

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