Alright, so a couple of days ago I was talking to a friend of mine in class. And we began to talk about religion. Now I'm far from the kind of person that likes to showcase my views on things, But I told him I was an Atheist. He Actually didn't believe me at first, and said that people have to take a oath to become an atheist. We literally argued about this for 5 whole minutes before I finally said lets go to an computer and get google the definition. after I showed him what atheism actually is, He still retained doubt. I just said forget it, and ended the conversation on it there. 


What I'm asking is how long will people remain that ignorant on atheism. It's not like he's dumb when it comes to other topics. He says He's a christian and he never even read the bible. And when I told him and another friend I read it They Laughed. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention one of the guys laughing has a tattoo that says "blessed" on his chest. And he never read the bible. That's just stupid to me, But I kinda want to know what other people think about this.

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Agreed, David. In fact, I prefer not to attack religious poeple for their beliefs, as most people identify so strongly with their belief system, that to attack it, is to attack them personally, and that convinces no one. I prefer instead, to attack the validity of the Bible and the Quran and explode their myths, which allows the religious at least the opportunity to rethink their positions.

It certainly is a sad state of affairs. I too had someone think I was joking when I told them I was an atheist. 

I think it would help to have some mainstream movies or tv shows with atheist protagonists that people can relate to. Not movies about atheists/atheism, just involving them. Just to acclimate the world to our existence. 

There's a lot to be said on the topic of religion in Star Trek (my favorite TV franchise), and some embarrassing moments on the issue in its long history, but there have been episodes throughout the years that I can confidently say are pro-atheist and anti-religion in varying degrees.

"Who Mourns for Apollo?" and what's the other one?

That one's good (though it's actually called "Who Mourns for Adonais?"), but my favorite one is "Who Watches the Watchers?" from TNG (The Next Generation, if you're not familiar with Trek lingo.)  I think it's from Season 3.  Watch it if you haven't seen it.  Patrick Stewart has a great anti-religion speech.

Yes, I had a Christian tell me the other day I needed to "reread" the Bible because there is nothing in it about killing homosexuals.  I had to send him Leviticus 20.

"When do you think people will finally start to understand atheism?"

When people finally start to understand Christianity (for the nonsense it is).

Atheism means there is no God- that is what the word means- a theos- no God. So you believe there is no God. But you cannot know that because you do not have complete knowledge of the universe and beyond. So the name you call yourself is contradictory to being able to state there is no God. So maybe the reason for lack of understanding by others of what you believe starts with your name. 

So none of us ever knows anything?

And yet, without "complete knowledge of the universe and beyond," the theist maintains that there IS a god - how does that balance, in your equation?


Are you asserting that belief in an unknown, is better than the non-belief?

When someone makes a statement, 'God exists', what does this mean? That a being or object that you refer to by the term 'God', is in the world with us and has effects? Or that an abstract term(convention) 'god', will be used to refer to activitities, operations, processes, etc, that we take for indications of existence? I can make statements that seem to indicate existence such as 'X does y', 'X thinks Y', but this causes your audience to think you have some privilaged position for this knowledge. Attributions are rather common in our language, but what rests behind the words?     

Taking a position of non-belief allows atheists to consider what evidence could be possible, while belief can allow a fake certainty, and opens up the use of language for self delusion.

Creating a web of rich narrative(s), with the core assumption of 'existence', while very good for fiction writing, seems to be disrespectful of honesty.

It is very sad to me how negatively people see atheists.  It gets especially bad here in the USA if you happen to live in the Bible Belt.  My mom actually lives in denial that I am a non believer which is rather amusing at times.  But as a reference to how we are seen I'll share this story from earlier this week;  I told my mom I planned on getting a tattoo for my birthday and that it would be an atheist symbol of some sort.  Her exact response, as well as my sisters later that night, was "You might as well get a swastika".  That to me is the exact problem and uphill battle we have in gaining acceptance and spreading logic and reason.  It doesn't bother me if someone's beliefs are different than mine, but I just wish they had the courtesy to attempt to understand atheism before they throw me in with the Nazis. 


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