Alright, so a couple of days ago I was talking to a friend of mine in class. And we began to talk about religion. Now I'm far from the kind of person that likes to showcase my views on things, But I told him I was an Atheist. He Actually didn't believe me at first, and said that people have to take a oath to become an atheist. We literally argued about this for 5 whole minutes before I finally said lets go to an computer and get google the definition. after I showed him what atheism actually is, He still retained doubt. I just said forget it, and ended the conversation on it there.
What I'm asking is how long will people remain that ignorant on atheism. It's not like he's dumb when it comes to other topics. He says He's a christian and he never even read the bible. And when I told him and another friend I read it They Laughed. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention one of the guys laughing has a tattoo that says "blessed" on his chest. And he never read the bible. That's just stupid to me, But I kinda want to know what other people think about this.
RE: "Elected myself? I'll have you know it's an hereditary position."
RE: "You're now more concerned with numbers than with being vaporized?"
Since those vaporized are beyond my capacity to assist, I'm more concerned with the accuracy of your statements.
I realise you were in the armed forces and during active combat at that, so I couldn't possibly know how it must have felt. That might give rise to a justifiable degree of military patriotism and perhaps American arms manufacturers might fall within that purview.
But putting that aside for one moment, American arms manufacturers have also been making arms and delivering them, with the help of the Government, to non-American buyers, in foreign countries. The UK does it too, albeit to a much lesser extent.
This is simply wrong. This is profiteering from war, in a non-patriotic way, for the sole purpose of monetary gain, and as such is a stain on arms manufacturers from both our countries.
Overseas weapons sales by the United States totaled $66.3 billion last year, or more than three-quarters of the global arms market, valued at $85.3 billion in 2011. Russia was a distant second, with $4.8 billion in deals.
This is the profit that needs explaining, not the money spent on financing and equipping the military for your own country's activities.
Your link explains it. Saudi Arabia being the largest purchaser. Iran makes them nervous I suppose.
The important question being do we have a right or obligation to sell armament to those who don't necessarily practice our own form of government but do support us regionally? The politics of war and flexing your muscle is expensive and not very appetizing.
What happens when the ally that you arm today, becomes someone else's ally tomorrow? Unfortunately modern arms are likely to outlast transient government's treaties.
@Strega - we already know what happens.
We instigated a war between the Iraqis and the Iranians because we were pissed that Iran booted our buddy, the Shah, and armed the Iraqis, which very arms and military strategies they used against us in both Bushies' Iraqi conflicts.
Strega, I'm puzzled. Where in what I wrote did you see a shred of military or any other kind of patriotism? I long ago stopped pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth. Have you stopped? If not, why not?
Wrong? It's more than wrong. It might someday be illegal, but too many of us still accept as leaders people whose need for power exceeds the rational.
We Yanks might in a couple of weeks elect such a man.
1. I'm a Brit. We don't pledge allegiance to flags. I'm fond of our Queen but she doesn't get involved in politics.
2. I read that you were in the armed forces. I said quite clearly that I could not possibly understand what that was like. I am sure that I phrased the possibility that you might have felt some patriotism quite carefully, as I could not possibly know what that was like.
3. The amount of profit made by American arms dealers NOT in respect of their own country's defense must be a source of dismay to some Americans... and yet there it is.
4. Your earlier post mentioned that one reason Hiroshima and Nagasaki's atom bombing might be acceptable was that "abombs guarantee that those who profit from war will be destroyed". I am simply illustrating that there are some war profiteers who appear to be able to escape this enormity.
5. It is not in my nature to throw accusations at people on line. I simply debate topics. If I feel that the direction of a topic has moved from the post to the poster, I politely withdraw.
6. The American elections are watched with fear and trepidation outside the USA every four years. At the federal level of government, America's playground is the world stage, and it is too powerful to be able to make even minor mistakes safely.
Well, we DID survive eight years of one, but there has to be a limit.
Even after over a century of Gidiots passing out the Greek / Roman Pagan mythology, the great majority of Xians never even read that book on which their faith is based. Ridiculous !
When more people understand what an atheist is, there will be more atheists.
Another way to think about this point.
If more people actually understood the theism that they have signed onto, would there be more atheists?
Part of the reason I left the church, was that I could not fit my worldly experiece and growing understanding into the metaphysical commitments of the church. The best training I received for atheism, was started while still a mostly a theist. Sadly, I was mostly paying attention, while in my 6 year stint of time share catholic school. I think what I learned was that, belief in catholic dogma is maintained by early social conditioning, and closed social relationships. But my life was very open as I grew up. Nerdy friends, early science exposure, relationships with folks of different beliefs, minor debate experience, marginally commited parents, and early 'death in the family', created an environment that implyed a much larger universe that was believed by the church or its members. I thank the church for helping me see the stark contrasts between 'the shoebox' of the church, and the vast landscape of 'the universe/reality' around us.
Should we thank the church more than we do for what we have become? I remember a qoute out of the early Star Trek, something like 'should we wear an olive branch in memory?'.
"When do you think people will finally start to understand atheism?"
When hell freezes over.