Alright, so a couple of days ago I was talking to a friend of mine in class. And we began to talk about religion. Now I'm far from the kind of person that likes to showcase my views on things, But I told him I was an Atheist. He Actually didn't believe me at first, and said that people have to take a oath to become an atheist. We literally argued about this for 5 whole minutes before I finally said lets go to an computer and get google the definition. after I showed him what atheism actually is, He still retained doubt. I just said forget it, and ended the conversation on it there.
What I'm asking is how long will people remain that ignorant on atheism. It's not like he's dumb when it comes to other topics. He says He's a christian and he never even read the bible. And when I told him and another friend I read it They Laughed. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention one of the guys laughing has a tattoo that says "blessed" on his chest. And he never read the bible. That's just stupid to me, But I kinda want to know what other people think about this.
The people you are chatting with are what I would refer to as convenient Christians since it is a matter of convenience that they refer to themselves as such so as to "fit". Convenient Christians don't understand atheists or atheism because they don't understand the doctrine by which they label themselves having never actually sat and read it nor would most understand it were they to do so. They require a mediator in the same way I require a mediator to understand physics. The problem for them is that the mediatior for the faith they claim to believe in only speaks of the positive narrative of the faith and often in his own words thereby cleaning it up to sound as cozy as possible. And that thier parents, siblings and friends all claim to follow the same faith so there is a sort of club mentality in which questioning one person in the club is to question all members. Peer pressure is a powerful thing. These folks know that for you to question the belief they claim to ally themselves with is to challenge not just them but the entire group, so you and they both know you are outnumbered. Just remember that facts don't care who's side you are on and that the veneer these individuals are wearing is quite thin and remarkably sensitive. Keep poking at it, you'll see.
Egocentrism; the belief that your views are everyone else's and that they chose not to believe in god and commit evil. I have in the past been called a "satanist" and a "pagan" i tried to explain atheism to these people but they were devout muslims, fortunately all of my friends when i was in school were smart and understood what an atheist was, even if they weren't
When do you think people will finally start to understand atheism?
Has anyone here pointed out that "people" (a too-generic term) will understand atheism when an asymptote (a line that continually approaches a given curve but does not meet it at any finite distance) reaches that curve?
Or, choose any direction you wish and travel in that direction until you reach the horizon. Take a few lunches with you.
People seem to cherish ignorance in certain subjects. It seems to mean that they don't need to defend their knowledge because they have none! It IS belief after all.
I think people will only really understand atheism when we, as in all the atheist, become more active in voicing our ideas and show were not what religious perceive us to be. In the US around 10% of the population are atheist yet no there is no representation in politics, etc. I think atheists need to come together more and raise the issue of intolerance towards us. Once this begins to happen I think more people will 'come out' and it will become a lot more acceptable to be atheistic.
And on Christians reading the bible I think very few of them do. I was brought up a Christian in a family of 6 and I am the only one yet to have read it and my family don't believe that I have either. Even yesterday we were arguing about religion and my mother was laughing at me about it. She also has the opinion that I do believe in God and that I'm trying to convince myself that I don't just 'to be different'.
Ya, it's a real catch 22, people's gullibility and lack of common sense really become evident when it comes to idea's about atheist. And the intolerance of some people is despicable, I'm lucky enough that most of the people I work with are atheists, and those who aren't are very open to.
I cannot wait until the day someone takes a law suit for unfair dismissal for being an atheist. Will be a great day!
Ghost, they believe because they were indoctrinated as children by people they trust. They know those people wouldn't normally, deliberately lie to them, so they swallow it all, hook, line and sinker. What they never stop to think about, is that those who indoctrinated them, were similarly indoctrinated when THEY were children, and so it goes --
We could just consider atheism on parr with calculus, or quantum mechanics. If you study deeply and well, new insights are found and your personal perspective grows. You could consider theism as the 'doggy and horseys' version of enlightenment, but if your lucky and walk into the back alley, where the light is better, the truely wonderful stuff trashes your personal vanity, and kills the childish metaphors. It is unclear if the 'sleeper has awakened', but it might be a close second....
I had the same issue arise recently with my own mom. I told her before, but I have to keep telling her that I am an atheist. She thought - and personally still think - that she thinks atheism is devil worship. She doesn't care what I believe - not that it would matter anyways - and I am fine with that.
The general consensus is so lazy to look anything up for themselves, that I am thoroughly convinced that I could convince somebody that the sky is actually orange and appears blue only to us (provided I caught them on a good day, probably after that said person came out of a revival service). Once people get over their laziness, maybe then we can better explain ourselves.
So far as discussing the matter with people, if I attempt to discuss anything with anyone who hasn't taken the prior time to research an issue out for themselves, I am immediately annoyed and offended with the individual. It is rude and discourteous to put on a facade of being educated, and to try and initiate a discussion because they saw a single video or read a singular article or quip somewhere. And everybody should know damn well what I am talking about. The quips like "God doesn't believe in people who don't believe in him.", or "Why, this nation was founded on Christian virtues.", and "You can't explain why I am a human and monkeys are still around.". Those are the ones I selected living in the Bible Belt my entire life, having heard them every five minutes.
General observation: It seems that many atheists - including many on this site - are motivated by an anti-religion perspective rather than by a critique of the belief in supernatural forces in general. In other words: Many atheists spend time (validly) criticizing the Christian Bible, as if the Bible's invalidity supports atheism. But deep atheism is unrelated to a given religion; deep atheism is simply the recognition that supernatural forces are mythical - with no reference to any particular religious structure.
This may reflect the fact that many atheists became so due to dissatisfaction/disgust with their particular religion: They moved *away* from religion, rather than moving *towards* rationalism. I believe that the Earth is round not because claims that it is flat are internally contradictory; I believe so because of the overwhelming evidence of the Earth's roundness.
I think it's valuable for us to be conscious of the roots of our atheism. Are you an atheist because a particular religion seems absurd, or because of the evidence for a godless universe?
I would like to add one more measure: experience dealing with believers.
My catholic childhood allowed me to look into some of the beliefs of the church, how people promote the ideology, how they model the teachings, and how they relate to the larger culture. Sadly as a young nerd and as an adult, I was not able to join that fellowship with good conscience. Even applying the teachings, seem to contradict teachings. So much had to be given up, even the tools that 'God' was asserted to have given us. At some point, it seemed that even 'reality' needed to be given up because the acts of 'God' would denign any stable perception of 'reality'. Inadvertently, they seemed to have opened the doors to chaos.
As I studied, it seemed to imply that reality was much more stable, vast, and mysterious that the church let on. The Earth, to them seemed to be the center of the universe, but in my understanding, was hardly more than a speck orbiting a small star, in a vast sea of stars. My even basic studies in geology, with fossil collecting, seemed to imply a vast expanse of deep time, with church dogma hardly scraching the surface of it. The bible not even recognizing that depth of eternity. Over time, it seemed clear that the church has hands that are not up to the task of understanding much of anything, it reaches, but hardly grasps. Believers, so bent on promotion, and prostration, caught in the church bubble, that they seem to not recognize the inadequacy if it. I remember a minister telling me at a wedding, 'we put away childish things as we mature'. Some of us are stuck with tinker toys, others mature to telescopes, and questions!