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Permalink Reply by William C. Walker on October 23, 2012 at 8:39pm

Barry Goldwater spoke out very forcefully against fundies wanting into the GOP.  But he lost out to Eisenhower.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on October 23, 2012 at 10:28pm

In my opinion - and I'm sure there are those out there with evidence to the contrary - "Ike" was the last Republican President with a sense of honor.

Plus he made it OK to eat fried chicken in public, with your fingers - what's not to like about that?

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on October 23, 2012 at 11:07pm

I'm not a Republican (not even close) but I'd nominate Barry Goldwater as the last Republican nominee for President with integrity.

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Permalink Reply by William C. Walker on October 23, 2012 at 11:11pm

Ike turned out to be a good President.  Only dumb thing I can recall was allowing some preacher talk him into printing :  In god we trust  on our currency.  Sounds good, it couldn't sound any better if it was TRUE.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on October 23, 2012 at 11:33pm

Nobody - not even Unseen, despite his protests to the contrary - is perfect.

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Permalink Reply by Tom Sarbeck on October 24, 2012 at 8:25am

Ike gave the impression of having a sense of honor. He ran for president and I, fresh out of the Navy and old enough to vote, chose him over Stevenson. One year later I hated that he okayed the CIA's overthrow of an elected Iranian government. Recently I learned that Truman had refused.

The years since have been unkind to Iranians and Americans. We installed a tyrant and trained his secret police. In the mid-1970s, Iranians overthrew him. He entered the USofA, allegedly for medical care. Young Iranians figured it was for his protection and took over the our embassy. The Iranian religious took over Iran and are still giving us trouble. I figure 9/11 was long delayed payback for our Middle Eastern foreign policy. America's foreign policy and Americans' civil liberties have long been on a collision course

Some may allege Iran's being adjacent to the USSR made it a Cold War tactic. The published histories I've seen say it was because England's Anglo-Iranian Oil (now BP) was treating Iran and Iranian workers the way America's robber barons treated America and American workers in the late 1800s.

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Permalink Reply by Corey Nemec on October 31, 2012 at 6:28pm

When the idea that enforcing your beliefs upon billions of children when they are born is when all major religions will forfeit their claim of being completely correct.

But as far as understanding, I suggest that as a whole most of the world is indeed starting to understand Atheism. The problem is allowing it to be true or acceptable. Think of it as trying to put an ant in the forefront of a large spider environment with deadly attacking enemies. Athiest's being the ant, it would take the over turning of a lot of hard-headed peoples minds on the fact that they intrinsically are inherently incorrect or wrong. It will be an enormous task that will take a very long time indeed. But if you keep sticking up against religion and staying in a logical mind-frame, people just may slowly come around to your ideas.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on October 31, 2012 at 6:33pm

When the idea that enforcing your beliefs upon billions of children when they are born is when all major religions will forfeit their claim of being completely correct.

In other words...not gonna happen

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Permalink Reply by Corey Nemec on October 31, 2012 at 6:44pm

In this world, no. But maybe in a utopia of intelligent beings, rather intelligent designers, AKA "GAWWD ALMIGHTY".

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Permalink Reply by Tom Sarbeck on October 31, 2012 at 10:29pm

Corey:

"...it would take the over turning of a lot of hard-headed peoples minds."

My attempts to understand atheism included visiting a college atheist club, and the certainty I heard there that no gods existed resulted in my choosing agnosticism. Building in myself the self-confidence that Catholicism had years earlier blocked took much longer, and in time I put agnosticism and chose atheism.

I've come to see that people who seem hard-headed in their religious belief are really frightened of the world they inhabit. For them to heal will require both information and self-confidence.

Here's what I don't know: is one required before the other?

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Permalink Reply by Tiffany Willoughby on November 26, 2012 at 10:25am

i dont know, but people are retards for not getting it. atheism is just the absence of god. and if hes a christian who has never read the bible that shows how stupid he actually is. he believes something he knows nothing about. ask him why he is a christian. ask him why he believes what he does. question his beliefs.

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