Alright, so a couple of days ago I was talking to a friend of mine in class. And we began to talk about religion. Now I'm far from the kind of person that likes to showcase my views on things, But I told him I was an Atheist. He Actually didn't believe me at first, and said that people have to take a oath to become an atheist. We literally argued about this for 5 whole minutes before I finally said lets go to an computer and get google the definition. after I showed him what atheism actually is, He still retained doubt. I just said forget it, and ended the conversation on it there.
What I'm asking is how long will people remain that ignorant on atheism. It's not like he's dumb when it comes to other topics. He says He's a christian and he never even read the bible. And when I told him and another friend I read it They Laughed. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention one of the guys laughing has a tattoo that says "blessed" on his chest. And he never read the bible. That's just stupid to me, But I kinda want to know what other people think about this.
"...afraid yet intrigued."
Jessica, I described myself then as fearful and excited--fearful of an unfamiliar loneliness and excited by the new prospects I dimly saw.
As you said, a profound life event helped me throw Catholicism away. I read about and compared the various xianities, read about and compared the various religions, and finally read about and compared the various origin myths. I became confident and free--though finishing a math degree and seeing a good economic future helped . I wish you a similar confidence and freedom.
As an atheist WW 2 Navy veteran I am outraged when I read of attempts by religionists to place their religious symbols on any place but privately owned land. The Soledad cross has no more place where it is now than the Jesus statue on Federal land ( ski slope ) in Montana. Keep church & state separate, as our founders intended.
William, when you were wrapping up WW2 I was finishing eighth grade. I'm an atheist Korean War Navy veteran (who served aboard a "can" that in 1945 fought off kamikazes at Okinawa). I more than agree with you; I'm an activist in the keep-em-separate effort.
Hi Tom. What was your ship's name & number ? Our ship was at Okinawa when Hiroshima was bombed. The whole fleet was there getting ready to invade Japan when the bombs obviated the necessity. I recall that our squadron of minesweepers was scheduled to sweep the invasion area. The scheduled date for it was early in November, I THINK.
DD 748, Harry E. Hubbard.
Hubbard skippered the Meredith, one of the Doolittle Raid's escorts. It was sunk and Hubbard died off Guadalcanal. DD 748 launched in 1944. After WW2 she did errands around Japan and then returned to San Diego where she went into the mothball fleet. In late 1950 I helped take her out of mothballs. We went to Japan and joined the fleet off Korea. We arrived after most of the mines had been swept, but in June 1951 USS Walke struck one, killing about 30. Fearing it had been a torpedo, the fleet fled the scene but Hubbard returned to do assistance. Otherwise we mainly shot up east coast railroads and occasionally picked up pilots. I came out an Electrician's Mate 3 and went to college.
I've read that the invasion was scheduled for November. A typhoon came along that would have wrecked the fleet. I chew up and spit out the few who say we shouldn't have abombed Japan. These days I tell people that for the first time in human history, abombs guarantee that those who profit from war will be destroyed. That discourages rational people. Irrational people remain a problem.
My best to you.
Hi Tom, After the surrender ceremony in Tokyo, we helped sweep the inland sea. Still have vivid memories of that typhoon you mentioned. We lost almost 50 ships in it, small ones.Most just weren't worth fixing up. The storm blew them onto shoals. You couldn't see much more than a couple hundred feet. Waves up to 60 feet we were told. I believe them. We launched a whaleboat to pick up survivors. It was a volunteer mission. I wouldn't have volunteered if they told me they'd make me an admiral upon return. Never expected to see that whaleboat return. I was a Coxswain. My brother was on DD634, USS Doran. The 634 pulled into Kobe where we were docked. Went over & asked if my brother Jim was onboard . Gangway guy told me he'd gotten off at Hawaii & was states bound for discharge. Oh how those memories flood in !
@Tom - RE: "abombs guarantee that those who profit from war will be destroyed"
What guarantees that those in America, who profit from war, will be destroyed?
Tom Sarbeck was kind enough to respond to my question (above) privately, rather than "embarrass me publicly," and while I appreciate his discretion, I don't feel I require the additional protection.
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Subject: American profit takers being destroyed
archaeopteryx, I'm feeling no need to embarrass you so I'll answer privately.
Your remarks about profit takers have persuaded me that you know little of sociopathy or psychopathy, both of which have recently been renamed to antisocial personality disorder. Do some web searching on those terms. In short, people with those illnesses lack empathy. Those who are not in prisons or mental hospitals can do very well in either business or politics.
What Tom fails to realize is that I have a background in psychology and am quite familiar with both the terms sociopathy and psychopathy, and hardly require the use of Wikipedia to refresh my memory. The one thing that Tom neglected to do, was answer my question.
Tom, you justified the use of the atomic bomb on both the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, vaporizing untold thousands of women, children and the elderly, who took no active part in WWII, yet whose vaporized corpses joined with Earth's atmosphere, where doubtless, everyone on earth likely managed a breath or two of their essences. This, despite the fact that surrender talks were underway and there was no actual need to drop either bomb, except to show the world what our military capabilities were. Tom maintained that this action on our part, was necessary to, "guarantee that those who profit from war will be destroyed."
My question, however - the one that went unanswered - was who will guarentee that American arms manufacturers, who profited greatly in all wars from the Korean "Police Action," the "Conflict" in Viet Nam, and both of our incursions into Iraq, be punished? American arms manufacturers have made a veritable fortune supplying our forces with arms. They have further supplied arms to other conflicts around the world that did not directly involve the US. This group has a huge lobbying camp in Washington, and have even been rumored to have instigated conflicts in various world locations, in order to open a market for their arms.
My question was that if vaporization was a fitting punishment for Japanese arms manufacturers, how are these American arms manufacturers punished?
A Cliff Notes course in basic Psychology is not likely to answer that question, but if I ever need one, I'll know who to ask. And for the next time, Tom - I don't embarrass that easily --
Alright, archaeopteryx, let's do it publicly.
You appear to not know, or you consider it unimportant, that in March of 1945, a one-night firebombing raid on Tokyo burned to death or suffocated thousands more people than the atom bomb instantly vaporized in Hiroshima.
Can you be claiming that death by "vaporization" is more painful than death by burning, by inhaling air so hot that it burns every body tissue it touches, or by suffocation?
Despite a background in psychology, do you think for a moment that your use of guilt will persuade the world's decision makers to destroy their nuclear weapons? They understand human nature better than you.
If you had been thinking clearly, you wouldn't have asked about American arms manufacturers. Until you think more clearly, you will remain stuck in the past. I won't join you there.
RE: "in March of 1945, a one-night firebombing raid on Tokyo burned to death or suffocated thousands more people than the atom bomb instantly vaporized in Hiroshima."
I would have to see substantiated statistics on that claim before I could even consider accepting it, much less respond to it.
But it's good to see that you've elected yourself the judge of thinking clearly.
Bombing of Tokyo (Wikipedia)
"The US Strategic Bombing Survey later estimated that nearly 88,000 people died in this one raid, 41,000 were injured, and over a million residents lost their homes. The Tokyo Fire Department estimated a higher toll: 97,000 killed and 125,000 wounded."
"In Hiroshima 140,000 were killed and Nagasaki 80,000. Many later died due to radiation poisoning and injuries sustained from the actual bombing."
"a one-night firebombing raid on Tokyo burned to death or suffocated thousands more people than the atom bomb instantly vaporized in Hiroshima."
I'm not seeing those "thousands."