Alright, so a couple of days ago I was talking to a friend of mine in class. And we began to talk about religion. Now I'm far from the kind of person that likes to showcase my views on things, But I told him I was an Atheist. He Actually didn't believe me at first, and said that people have to take a oath to become an atheist. We literally argued about this for 5 whole minutes before I finally said lets go to an computer and get google the definition. after I showed him what atheism actually is, He still retained doubt. I just said forget it, and ended the conversation on it there.
What I'm asking is how long will people remain that ignorant on atheism. It's not like he's dumb when it comes to other topics. He says He's a christian and he never even read the bible. And when I told him and another friend I read it They Laughed. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention one of the guys laughing has a tattoo that says "blessed" on his chest. And he never read the bible. That's just stupid to me, But I kinda want to know what other people think about this.
Tom, that's a valid general observation. There are generalists and specialists. I will try to specialize your observation.
Religion does harm to people and it did harm to many of us. Our reactions are not entirely rational.
I think there is a connection in most cases in the western world. As an atheist I am supported by the overwhelming evidence for a godless universe but I feel all religions are absurd.Since I was born and raised in the western world, the religion I am familiar with is christianity and it seems only natural to be critical of the christian bullshit that contradicts rational and free thought.I personally do feel that the christian bible's invalidy supports ahteism. I agree by definition, atheism is just a non belief in a diety and the supernatural and everyone is entitled to their own personal beliefs. However, I feel that those christians who wish to venture into the public forum and attempt to force their beliefs on others are fair game for debate. I too believe the earth is round because of the overwhelming evidence supporting it but find it hard to resist speaking up when someone says it isn't because "god says so".
Tom M., the term "deep atheism" is new to me. How closely does it resemble your atheism?
It's rather ridiculous what some people think about atheism. A classmate of mine asked if I believed in reincarnation if I didn't believe in heaven and hell. I had to explain to him that I don't believe in souls, therefore I believe in neither reincarnation or heaven and hell. Then he said "Oh, have fun lol".
Milly, I hope you were able (and are able) to reply, "I am having fun."
I think this or the next generation might clear things up. I mean, I think most of the atheists currently alive are from this generation (please correct me I am wrong), so I'd say that they might educate their children. Even if the children decided they wanted to believe in a god, they would still retain the knowledge their atheist parent(s) gave them.
I honestly hope I'll have the courage to tell my own parents about my lack of religion soon so I can finally tell them that their assumptions about non-religious people (atheists) is wrong and prejudiced-- but hey, I'm twelve. I have plenty of time left.
I know exactly what you mean even though it's not to do with Christianity in my case , pretty much everyone around me is a Muslim and when it came out (I didn't plan on telling them) that I was an atheist they laughed it off as a phase and assumed that my becoming atheist meant a complete breakdown of my morals and beliefs. Not to mention the incessant preaching that followed it. They keep waiting for me to grow out of it.
Yesterday, I ran across a slogan I really liked:
"Religion - together, we can find a cure."
Found the bumper sticker yet?
Just when you think we're starting to make some progress --
Tunisia blasphemy bill threatens free speech:
A bill to criminalise offences against "sacred values," filed in parliament this week by Tunisia's ruling Islamist party Ennahda threatens freedom of expression, Human Rights Watch warned on Friday.
"The draft bill would provide prison terms and fines for broadly worded offenses such as insulting or mocking the 'sanctity of religion,'" the rights group said.
International human rights law generally prohibits criminalising the defamation of religion, the New York-based watchdog added.
This is what frightened people do when they feel their foundations slipping out from under them - there's no need to criminalize a behavior unless you expect it to happen.
I worked with a Tunisian moslum years ago. I lead a repair crew fixing student rentals. During our work day the crew would crack jokes to lighten our work load, and sometimes the laughter would echo through the structure we were working on. One day the fellow came by to check on us, and as usual the work was getting done and I had just made some funny observation followed by a rather loud chuckle, but he told us that it was against his religion to 'laugh'. At his job site, on his quarter, no laughter was allowed. Since I had known the guy for years, and had been on many repair jobs already completed, I let him know that, 'in the states, which is still not a moslum country, no 'freedom to laugh' would be an intolerable work condition and I would not continue under such a condition.' Happily the statement was a very well placed trump!
The laughter continued, no one was ever hurt, the work got done, a little joy was maintained amide the dirt, dust, and the occasional blood blister!
That must be a Tunisian thing, as I have worked with Muslims from other countries, Pakistani and Iranian, who had great on-the-job senses of humor.