Alright, so a couple of days ago I was talking to a friend of mine in class. And we began to talk about religion. Now I'm far from the kind of person that likes to showcase my views on things, But I told him I was an Atheist. He Actually didn't believe me at first, and said that people have to take a oath to become an atheist. We literally argued about this for 5 whole minutes before I finally said lets go to an computer and get google the definition. after I showed him what atheism actually is, He still retained doubt. I just said forget it, and ended the conversation on it there.
What I'm asking is how long will people remain that ignorant on atheism. It's not like he's dumb when it comes to other topics. He says He's a christian and he never even read the bible. And when I told him and another friend I read it They Laughed. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention one of the guys laughing has a tattoo that says "blessed" on his chest. And he never read the bible. That's just stupid to me, But I kinda want to know what other people think about this.
My thoughts on Atheism are very simplistic. It's a religion. It's a faith. And it's an organization that says we are here by chance with no specific purpose. Now if I'm incorrect on that.. then please feel free to correct me. This "New Atheism" Movement is a way for Atheists to continue blindly walking and blindly leading. Remove the Bible, remove God, let's talk Science.
Science has already disproved Darwinism. If you disagree with that then I suggest you emerse yourselves in current biology and the structure that is.. the cell. It's a more complex organism than anyone ever thought and by Darwin's own account, his theory would be wrong if it were discovered that the cell was more complex than originally thought.
So that's evolution. Scientifically disproved, on so many more levels than just the cell, yet not accepted by mainstream scientists. Instead they claim that all evidence leads to intelligent design, but it just isnt so. They give no factual basis for this statement. It's like saying Shakespeare was not written by the man himself. Instead, over time, millions of monkeys were given pens and paper... eventually one of them came out with Shakespeare.
I'm really not here to rant about whats the right belief. Science leads to an intelligent creator. After reading countless articles from both sides I see the ridiculousness that is Atheism. And I also see the ridiculousness that is religion in itself. I don't call myself a Christian because the church has stained that word. I'm a Christ believer and follower.. and it's because of the concrete facts that the ones who set out to disprove it discovered that lead me there. Anyone who takes the word of another man without sincerely researching it is just as unintelligent as they claim their counterpart to be. I simply challenge Atheists to read the whole book, "The Origin of Species," and then read about modern discoveries in biology and science. It's just the first step in the journey to truth.
First of all Atheism is not a religion nor a faith, it is a lack of faith see Oxford Dictionary
late 16th century: from French athéisme, from Greek atheos, from a- 'without' + theos 'god'
Atheism has no organisation, merely free thinking people who wish to question the doctrines that they have been taught and in same cases brainwashed with since they day they learned to talk! The “New Atheist” Movement is empowering otherwise powerless people to have a voice which they would not otherwise have, nobody is forced to follow them and they are not forcing or coercing anyone to follow them or believe in their beliefs.
Science has not disproved Darwinism, science has merely moved on from Darwinism, evolution is even more apparent with modern science than it was in Darwin’s day, remember Darwin lived in the 19th Century and his discoveries at that time were truly amazing given the lack of scientific knowledge at the time, modern scientists are merely building on what Darwin discovered and if anything evolution has been reinforced, Darwin’s place in history is assured!
Quite obviously science does not lead to an intelligent creator, what a ridiculous notion, the very simple question I would put to you in that case would be “Where did the creator come from?”
I think as science continues to become more accepted (what a foolish thing to have to write,but it seems to be reality here in the States) more and more people will question their faith and learn more about atheism.
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -Isaac Asimov
I've read none of Asimov's work. Did he say what "properly read" or "improperly read" mean?
I ask that because the cruelties of WW2 and many events since then demonstrate that we humans are capable of the cruelties the OT describes.
Perhaps Asimov was saying that instead of reasoning his way from belief to disbelief, as many of us do, the OT shocked him to disbelief.
Tom, You are right. I served in WW2, as a deck ape in the Pacific. I had two older brothers & two brothers in law. They're all long gone, but they too would agree with you. War is fucking INSANE.
Thanks, William. In the Korean War I was a snipe aboard DD748, which in 1945 was at Okinawa shooting down Japanese suicide pilots.
War is insane for most; it's profitable for a few.
To folks who want to do away with nuclear weapons, I point out that for the first time in human history, the few who profit from war will also be destroyed.
As long as people are being indoctrinated into their religions, there will be ignorance of other beliefs. I believe that as long as people are being raised blindly in any faith, they will have little understanding of any other faith. They may even have little understanding of their own faith. As you mentioned, your "Christian" friends have never read the bible, but that's the book they are meant to live their lives by. Not only are they ignorant about atheism, but they're ignorant about their own faith as well. They've been raised in Christianity in a nation where Christianity is the norm, and is the most socially acceptable form of faith. They have little need to read the bible and truly understand their faith when all around them are people interpreting it for them and leading them by the hand. I believe that as long as any faith continues to be the norm, there will be ignorance about atheism.
I had this happen just last month in training for my new job. "My views" had come to topic, I stated "but, I don't let it get to me cuz I'm an atheist." My new friend playfully slapped my shoulder and laughed it off saying "oh whatever Natalie no you're not" I look dead serious and insulted back and her. "uh yeah, I am." she look surprised and since then I've become the center of curiosity for my co workers. Questions like "So what do you do on Christmas?" or "Why do you go to church?" pop up all the time. (My uncle runs is a pastor and he knows I'm not religious but I still go every now and then for his benefit). Just because I'm not religious doesn't mean I have to be disrespectful.
Petty much the world feels you HAVE to have a religion. You HAVE to believe in god even if you don't understand or care. Atheism is still the new kid on the block of the modern world. It's for the modern person with a modern mindset. But our modern world is crowded with old world views. And the new kid usually gets picked on. Even Christianity went through that.
Natalie, two men made very clear their belief that I should have a religion.
I first came out publicly at a Toastmasters meeting. During a break for coffee, one man who wears an always-cheerful mask came to me, chuckled, and with his usual confidence told me I would come back. His manner told me that talking with him would be useless, so I didn't try.
Another man, seeming frightened, warned me that after I die I will be on my knees to Jesus. Too surprised too reply, I said nothing and began ignoring him when we passed by. Weeks later I saw his wife without him and asked her if he believed what he'd said. She told me he became that way after a stroke. Knowing a stroke can wreck part of a brain, I started nodding when we passed each other. I don't try to engage him in conversation.
A few sincere-seeming people express puzzlement. I reply that if I hadn't gone to Catholic schools I might still believe a god exists. Most of them respond calmly and we talk of other things. One man responded as if he expects evil of Catholicism. So do I.
Most people, especially those many years younger than my eighty, take the news calmly; a few even chuckle. Atheism has a future
science leads to a supreme being:
Einstein observed that "the man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal
operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of
a being who interferes in the course of events. . . . He has no use for the religion
back to the main topic..a simple answer is probably never but if we dare to be optimistic, perhaps in couple more centuries..I dunno
I come from Egypt-not exactly a great place to be for free thinkers-especially nowadays if you're folllowing the news..anyways, my journey to atheism was a long one, perhaps 6 years ago..I was born a 'muslim'(reluctantly), always had my doubts since my teens I guess.. I studied the quran,old and new testaments,Confucious..books, lots of books, science etc but mainly was focused on the 'abrahamic' religions, their roots and the cosmic Saddam Hussein. In a country like mine it's never easy to be a free critical thinker and a decision to finally be honest with oneself and reject all those mythical bullshit is not to be taken lightly-especially tat I know i'll probably keep it to myself. I became an atheist(or how i was born) about 2 months ago. It's a very hard decision, especially psychologically..I believe people -well, most people need some form or religion and belief system, replacing a religion wih a somewhat questionmark is not for everybody and especially hard without a support system. I needed to talk to someone- not to convince them- just to share my new 'findings'. Today, I confined to my best friend.. known him for most of my life.. he's open minded i guessed, not exactly 'religious'.. we sometimes go out for the occasional beer and discuss religion, so I though he will be understanding, he wasn't and he wasn't very nice..raised his voice, started accusing me f disrespect of his beliefs etc went home and later he called me, thought he'd be apologetic and realise what a jerk he was, first he was trying to be nice- persuading and then he realised I was a 'lost cause; he uttered something about burning in hell and hang up.
Think I lost my bestfriend..it's not my fault but I'm getting depressed..