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Permalink Reply by Doug Reardon on March 14, 2012 at 5:18pm

When corporations were declared people? 

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on March 14, 2012 at 5:34pm

1795 seems a bit early.

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Permalink Reply by Michael on March 15, 2012 at 6:47am

Unfortunately they are already considered people in the eyes of the law.

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Permalink Reply by Scott Howard on March 14, 2012 at 10:31pm

1860. When Lincoln got elected and subsequently used the army to kill 20% of the US population and force the will of the federal government onto, until then, sovereign states.

I trace all of our failing as a constitutional republic back to him. And since the Republicans controlled congress (which is why the south suceeded), they enabled him by funding and supporting his illegal war.

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Permalink Reply by Tom Sarbeck on March 15, 2012 at 12:37am

Scott, you wrote either a good spoof or something else. If it was something else, did the Civil War start with one of these two actions?

1. The North's resupplying Fort Sumter.

2. The South's firing on Fort Sumter.

Or did it start with something else?

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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on March 15, 2012 at 6:33am

Scott:  The south wanted to overthrown the Union by force, that would be considered treason against the United States. But if I were a southern sympathizer, I wouldn't agree with that truth. So let's just understand that your view may not be the only one and leave it at that.

 Here's another

Did the Emancipation Proclamation free all the slaves in the United States? Many people think it did, but the Emancipation Proclamation did not free all the slaves in the United States and here is why. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't actually free any slaves because it related only to areas under the control of the Confederacy. The South broke away from the North, and President Lincoln couldn't make slave owners living in the Confederate states of America obey the Emancipation Proclamation. After the Civil War ended and the South became part of the United States again, the South had to obey Lincoln. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't include slaves in the border states and in some southern areas under the North's control, such as Tennessee and parts of Virginia and Louisiana. Although no slaves were actually freed by the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, it did lead to the 13th Amendment to the Constitution. The 13th Amendment became a law on December 18, 1865, and ended slavery in all parts of the United States.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on March 17, 2012 at 12:12am

But the South didn't succeed. It failed!

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Permalink Reply by Tom Sarbeck on March 17, 2012 at 12:37am

Yeah, the southern states seceded.

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Permalink Reply by Colleen on March 14, 2012 at 11:37pm

Eisenhower.  Read The Family by Jeff Sharlet.

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Permalink Reply by Tom Sarbeck on March 15, 2012 at 12:50am

Colleen, I heard of the book when Rachel Maddow interviewed Jeff but didn't know it mentioned Ike. It has good reviews so I ordered it from the public library. Thanks for the tip,

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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on March 15, 2012 at 6:24am

From Wiki:

My choice would be:

The States' Rights Democratic Party (usually called the Dixiecrats) was a short-lived segregationist political party in the United States in 1948. It originated as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party in 1948, determined to protect what they portrayed as the southern way of life beset by an oppressive federal government

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Permalink Reply by Judith van der Roos on March 15, 2012 at 12:14pm

Granted I am no american (phew) but i do not see the red states succeeding, how could they financially when they are for the most part the biggest draw on federal money, they could not survive economically.

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