We've had countless discussions on here about the religious colloquialisms and sayings that others say that we tolerate (e.g. many don't mind something like, ("I hope you get better soon - I'll pray for you", or something as simple as "bless you" after a sneeze). But what about the other end of the spectrum?
What are the xian, or religious for that matter, sayings that drive you crazy or get under your skin? For instance, here are a couple of mine...
You get the idea.
Can't wait to read your thoughts on this!
'I will believe for you.'
'I will pray for you.'
'Read X passage, it will help.'
'There is a christian men's group, here's their number.'
'Your brain will work better, if you believe in god.'
'Don't worry, god will cure me.'
'Would you like a copy of the Watch Tower?'
'We have desided that that is a settled truth!'
'You must be hard hearted to reject Christ!'
'Do you love your Mother? Yes! Prove it.'
Wrap your head around this: I had a guy tell me that I had to believe in God to not believe in God. My brain broke. I was like "The fuck? Is this guy for real?" I went over some of his past convos and realized he had the intelligence of a friggin' Amoeba...
@Gabriela - I'm certainly not a New Ager, in fact, I'm not sure I fall into any particular pigeon hole, but I do think that there's more to the philosophy you speak of, than you realize.
Let me offer you two hastily constructed scenarios, one general, the other more personal. Let's say you have one person, just living life as it comes - various things happen to him/her that aren't taken advantage of, because he doesn't have a clear goal. A second person may say, "I want to own my own home by the time I'm 30," or, "One day, I want to stand at the top of the Eiffel Tower in Paris." From that point on, every opportunity that arises, that could bring that person closer to his goal, is noticed and acted upon, whereas the first person may well have not perceived the occasions as significant.
On a more personal level, we, of both sexes, give off subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) signals when we're interested in someone. There are women, and I'm sure you know at least one, who are attracted to "bad boys," for the excitement and unpredictability. Such a woman will bypass a half-dozen "nice guys," deemed too boring, to get to the "bad boy," who, being misogynistic, uses her, dumps her, and leaves her cursing all men for the treatment she received. A more positive attitude would have been more likely to send out a different set of signals to less abusive men, that could well have led to a much more satisfying relationship. In this case, the thoughts actually did attract a certain type of person, because they chose that type of person as their goal.
I guess what I'm trying to say, poorly, is that if you're clear as to what you want, you'll focus on that objective, by-pass blind alleys that lead in unproductive directions, and come closer to achieving your goal (whether that objective is good for you or not, is another issue entirely). That's what I would consider a positive attitude. The opposite of that would be, "Oh, I could never do that (or attract a person like that), so why even bother to try?"
"As if a child born in most extreme poverty thought about it before being born and then he attracted it..."
No, but as that child matures, his attitude will play a large part in whether or not he remains in extreme poverty.
@mohammed - that doesn't sound very submissive! If you haven't already, you might enjoy meeting some of these people:
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It might interest you to learn that the member, "Hope" is from Saudi as well --
"America was founded on Christian principles"
My typical response (or something like it)-
To which specific "principles" are you referring? Christian "principles" seem to include a virgin birth, resurrection(s), vicarious redemption via human sacrifice (predicated on animal sacrifice), heaven/hell, judgment day, imaginary friends/enemies, magical thinking/superstition, prayer, homophobia, scientific illiteracy, etc. Which of these is in our Constitution?
Now, there's a fair amount of genocide and slavery in the Old Testament, and there was a signficant amount of that in the "founding" of the USA.
The only "Christian principle" that is worth anything, imo, is "do unto others." And that is not even a uniquely Christian concept and the USA was certainly not founded on "do unto others."
The only mention of god/religion in our Constitution is exclusionary - enough of the Christian rhetorical BS and Christian theocratic nonsense.
I just explained to my mom that the proofs for god are faulty and so belief in god is based on blind faith. Her response: "what's wrong with blind faith?" I mean really? After what's been going on recently in the Middle East...what's wrong with blind faith? Of course I quickly jumped at her saying that to point out what blind faith can produce - 9/11/01, 9/11/12. And then she says "oh that's just Islam"... bothered me off to no end that she wouldn't change her mind about blind faith being a good thing.
If you can equate 'blind faith' with 'stupidity', it might work, but you could be uninvited to Thanksgiving Dinner.
I did take part in a conversation, on a long trip to ski once. A woman that worked with retarded folks, attempted to build a case for such people being happier. I suggested that this could be true, but geting a prefrontal lobatamy to test the idea, would not be the smartest thing to do during an elected surgery! Your insurance carrier could see it as a good idea if you are wealthy, but uncovered if not. LOL
There was another conversation concerning the relationship between intelligence and depression. A few friends suggested that having too many brain cells could make humans morose and moody. Not knowing that you are going to die, that life sometimes sucks, and TV has gotten old, could be nice. No such luck....
Haha if I was going to be uninvited to Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner, I would have expected it to have happened a long time ago. They're still trying to get me to go back to catholicism...and meat.
It might just be that it's late but I have NO idea what you're talking about! lol sorryyy
No wonder I'm pessimistic? Maybe you're saying blind faith is good when it prevents apathy and keeps people happy... I don't know? But if that's its only function, there are plenty of other things a person can do which do not have the negative results of blind faith.
I was suggesting that 'blind faith' and 'stupidity' could be equated. 'Stupidity' could be equated to 'Ignorance'. If your mom would dislike be considered either 'stupid' or 'Ignorant', then kick back could happen. If 'Stupid' could be equated to 'retarded', and if retarded people are happier, then maybe 'blind faith' could be reasonable. Else we could be condemned to our morose/moody intelligence or elected psychosurgery. Under some conditions 'blind faith' might act like elected psychosurgery. After watching the Benny Hinn videos, this seems very likely. The American Psychlogical Association might like to know this, as well as the Religious Right. I expect that the NSA already has a file concerning this..;p)
You do realize that I am trying to 'make sense out of non-sense'. This is about the best I can do after two glasses of wine and rewatching the movie 'Powder', which is a tear jerker for me. Or maybe it was the home made plum sauce.....LOL
@JC -that was an incredibly beautiful movie about tolerance, in the vein of The Little Prince. It should be a classic, but few have ever heard of it.