The losers have been doing it now for years and years with the money from their captive audiences that believe they HAVE to give moolah or go to H E double toothbrushes. We as atheist have no such regular resources of money, but with millions of atheists we could or start a letter writing campaign to atheist millionaires and billionaires asking them to think about starting a nationwide atheist TV network and if it goes national it could just as easily go world wide and there is also the net with all the available resources where we can start our own 24/7 broadcasts or podcasts..After that it's the sales job to get funding from viewers, maybe via the PBS method.. Maybe contact the groups that are well connected to someone like Richard Dawkins and other big wigs..
C'mon folks.. How about a brainstorming session to get on the air EVERYWHERE!
This could be the 68th anniversary of the bombing of Perl Harbor and make it against the false nonsense of religions..
That's a start Dan.. I personally can't start a network or any of it because I'm 50 in poor health and might not live much longer, but I have grandkids I don't want to live in this quasi-theocracy. Mainly now I would like to see the discussion get going and new ideas out there and something on the air in big markets...not at 3:30 AM, but prime time 24/7, etc..
If they can do it for imaginary figures then we can do it for ourselves.. We're more important than imaginary gods and spooks..
Also this discussion isn't about what I can afford or you can afford, but what we as atheists can afford.. I have $2 to my name right now so I DO hope nobody is waiting for moi.
Do it for YOU, YOUR KIDS AND YOUR GRANDKIDS! STOP these "god goons" from taking over our lives. It HAS to be fought ON THE AIR instead of forums and "tweets"..
This is the truth but I have been advocating this for a long time. On Sky I have flicked through religious programmes spouting off about how religion can save you, . I believe in fairness there should be a balanced programming and it is time for an atheist station.
Millionaires and billionaires do not want to part with their money, although they could obliterate poverty and injustices but i believe you might as well talk to a wall.
It will be interesting reading the feedback.
I suppose nowadays it is not what you know but who you know.
I live in the DFW area and believe me..TV here BLOWS goats balls and goats rectums for that matter..
The big money people might be interested if there's a return on investment..you know.. ROI? That would mean commercials OR a cable network or both..
They have to know there's big bucks in it for them somewhere and I'm not 100% opposed to that as long as the atheist messages can get out to the public at large instead of just to people searching for it online. At the rate we're going it'll be a theocracy globally before ATV Atheist TV gets off the ground..
Ideas and brainstorming is what we need instead of: Well....other people suck so it won't work..
Ideas, ideas, ideas!
Yeah, the moral thing is likely to just sort of evaporate FAST but we can't have everything.
I'm not a big morals person anyway. I have mine and I don't like to lie or steal or cheat and so on, but I certainly wouldn't hold anyone to any moral standard on an atheist network except one, ..ok a few, but the biggest, NO PREACHING the happy horse sh*t by-bull then no stealing or generally embarrassing the network in any way that could bring it down in any manner. What people do while not working? Who cares? Atheism isn't exactly preaching some sort of high ground moral purityland thing anyway..
I just want to see more ideas and suggestions really..
The self promo..sure.. Flexible morality? Absolutely..ethics? Well...that one has to be watched because with ANY enterprise ethics can be a real downfall if not kept in check..
It's a good policy to ask politely what someone's moral standards might be. But evolutionary psychology tells us that every sane Homo Sapien acquires moral reason from genes and environment. We each act "as if" we have some moral principals - even if we are not self aware of what those might be. Well informed folks usually have an ethical framework (a theory about moral principals) that informs their moral reason.
My particular problem with religious folks is that they report - with self deception - that their morals are the inflexible morals from sacred texts. An atheist without self knowledge of their innate morality may also report - with self deception - that their moral system is nihilism, StarTrekism, relativism or another "ism". In either case, without an ethical framework to understand the foundation of your actual innate moral sense you operate irrationally with respect to your reported moral beliefs. This IMHO leads to preaching, burning at the stake and voting straight ticket for one political party or another.
Provisional morality is flexible but only within limits - the kind of moral behavior we usually act on.
Well that's all cool, but how do we, as atheists break into the 24-7 global TV thing?
Sorry, didn't mean to sideline your theory of ethical behavior and all that, but... I was more interested in a TV network.
I'm not going to start one obviously because I'm 50, in poor health and broker than a stick, but I can try to get a discussion started (maybe) to get things headed in that direction and that right now is the primary reason for this thread...or I was hoping so anyway. ;)