I'm curious as to what sort of event or discovery would be enough to "prove" the existence of a god to you?

Would it be hearing the god's voice in your head? Would it be an event predicted in some holy book? The god rearranging the stars of a particular galaxy to spell "Yes I'm real" in every known language, as viewed from Earth?

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Pretty serious. I mean, just read about people who've messed with DMT or have taken very high amounts of entheogens. Hell, try it for yourself.


Drilling a hole thru your skull in the right place 'works' too, hell, try it for yourself.

Drugs plus thinking does not equal reason, but it can be a good time.  Ever tried Opium?  That's some good shit. ;)

DMT is orders of magnitude different in its effect from opium. I wouldn't even compare the two. The only way I could imagine drilling a hole working out in that way is that if DMT is released, after all it is part of the NDE.

God himself 

One more grilled cheese Jesus and I'm sold.

Just for you, RobertPiano...

LOL nice Strega!

Incontrovertible EVIDENCE, based on scientific proof along with many, many pictures and videos.   

I keep looking for the 'grin', I think. Something that, how ever fleeting, seems to offer an insight that might have been unexpected.

I never seem to find 'god', but only rich examples of eternity intruding into my perception. Sometimes I have a a little cry, or moment of wonder, that stops me from all my suppositions, or absractions...  

Any reasonably advanced alien could fool us into believing they were a 'god' or even 'THE GOD' if we went by all  the old standards of proof.   Healing the sick, raising the dead, curing blindness, deafness, performing other miracles.. making and fulfilling prophecies, reading minds (answering prayers) etc..    The point is that there is no sure way to prove the existence of a god.

Perhaps the closest way would be for them to turn YOU into a god yourself.  With expanded consciousness you might be able to fathom the entire universe at once...  immediately connect with all beings and life forms... etc..   Something along those lines would be a start.   It still wouldn't be absolute proof.  For all we know reasonably advanced aliens could give us a facsimile of this experience that would fool us completely.

A miracle might prove the existence, but I have had some bizarre, unlikely things happen in my life that might qualify as miracles to some.  According to some Christians with whom I have talked, these miracles are clear signs that a god is trying to get our attention.  

A friend of mine who has had a huge battle with addiction to heroin suddenly became clean through, he says, "something" other than his decision or efforts to do so.  He has interpreted this as proof that there is some force or entity that intervened.  This has been a life-changing event for him. 

I don't care if it was the Great Green Arkleseizure, or himself, who helped him stop using heroin.  I would never try to talk him out of his miracle.  In some alternate dimension, however, there could be a Diane for whom this event could open a door that allowed other events to be interpreted as miraculous.  This could lead to talking to more religious people which could lead to even further confusion from which I could emerge with a little more willingness to allow myself to be brainwashed into believing, say, Jesus exists.

As I have been told by more than one evangelical Christian, with an attitude of unwillingness like mine, I will not be able to believe.  Exactly what I had in mind!

On the other hand, if something happened that clearly convinced me a god existed, I like to think I wouldn't stubbornly still refuse to believe.  What proof there could be that couldn't ultimately be explained away by trickery, aliens, or insanity I don't know.

And then what?  What would matter to me if I had proof that a god existed would be what I did with that information, what effect it had on my life.  In that case, it doesn't matter whether the proof actually proved the existence of a god or not.  All that would matter is whether or not I thought it did.

That is the kind of proof am offered by Christians often.  They say they have experienced the existence of a god themselves.   In short, I would have to have some kind of conversion experience myself, not vicariously through others.  Even then, I would most likely attribute it to some other, more rational explanation.

It's no wonder I don't believe in god!  I am truly skeptical and not easily convinced of its existence. 

I'll see what I can whip up.


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