What would be a suitable punishment for the boys who bullied their bus monitor?

Have you seen the video?:

Leaving aside what the school or their parents might do, what would really serve the interest of justice?

Also, is no one teaching their children respect for elders anymore?

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Exactly. I'm tired of people equating corporal punishment with beating the shit out of them. Anyone who actually beats up their kid belongs in jail. But a swat on the bottom, cuffing their ears. These things can establish who's in control and who must be obeyed.

Remember how stupid most adults are (they believe in religion, don't they?). Kids are far less subject to mere reason. Anyone who's argued with a teen knows exactly what I mean. ("So what if I was driving too close. Nothing happened, did it?"). You can't really reason with most grown-ups or they'd be atheists, too. You need to get your kid's attention.

Edison was cuffed on the ear - he was deaf in that ear for life.

The violent world of the past had better behaved kids. Perhaps men who hit women were ABUSED in a drastic way. To imply it's because they got a swat from their dad because they sassed a teacher doesn't even pass the giggle test.

The violent world of today is populated primarily by boys who grew up absent much parental authority.

RE: "The violent world of the past had better behaved kids."

If they were "better behaved," and I have no evidence that they were, it was out of fear, rather than any intrinsic understanding that there was an acceptable, and an unacceptable way of behaving, and being clear as to why unacceptable behavior was considered so,.

This man's an idiot, and has no business raising kids.

(This post was supposed to fall below the video - I didn't mean you Unseen, the jury's still out on that.)

How do you explain, then, that the downward plunge in children's behavior pretty much coincides with your hippy-dippy "hit the kid, produce a criminal" theory of discipline?

You can't build a theory on anecdotal evidence. Leave the anecdotes aside and consider the correlation between increasing teen misbehavior and violence with the throttling of corporal punishment.

Tiffany, I've LIVED through this period. I'm 65. This spare the rod thinking rolled out majorly in the 1970's and the kind of behavior these kids evidenced, and similar stuff, started happening (surprise, surprise!) 10-15 years later on and has been getting worse as those kids became parents. I'll be gone in a few decades and the parents who bought into that horse pucky will be living the hell they've created for themselves.

Correlation can certainly be evidence of a functional relationship. While there have always been badly behaved kids, today it seems bullying is rampant, disrespect of elders (even those charged with their care and protection), kids even in middle school are having sex sometimes right in school, virginal high school seniors are apparently as rare as hens teeth. These kids may be less racist and more concerned about the environment. However, I wouldn't wear their atheism as a badge of honor and suspect it's mostly theistic apathy: not believing in much of anything.

@Karen - I'm not sure which and it's not important enough to look up, but I recall one of the early Greek philosophers, some 300 years BCE, complaining about the "new generation." How mild is '50's Rock, compared with today's Rap? And yet some pieces, in the '50's, were actually banned from radio - it never ends.

Hey, not only was I around all those years, I was in what was regarded as a tough high school, the Collinwood HS in Cleveland, and believe me, kids did not disrespect adults nearly as badly as the kids in the video. Why? The crack of the paddle on the ass. That's why. Sure, we bullied and were bullied kid-on-kid, but kids bullying an adult? You've got to be kidding! That never ever happened.

If you wanted to prove how tough you were to your cronies, you had to beat on someone who could put up a fight. Anyone who picked on helpless old ladies would have come across as ridiculous and really a pathetic sissy pants.

Statistics are meaningless in this case because they almost certainly reflect changes in reporting and in approaches to treating juvenile misbehavior. Also not reflected in the statistics is HOW the nature of reported crimes have probably changed. A common property crime in my childhood was TP'ing someone's front yard or putting a bag of dog poop in front of someone's door, setting it on fire, and ringing the doorbell. Today, the reported crimes could be far more serious assaults and batteries on helpless victims.

I bet you won't find much agreement for this post among the older members who've lived through 5 or 6 decades. It's not just the same.

I taught in Harry Wood High in Indianapolis, in your neighboring state, where ghetto Blacks met immigrant Kentucky Red-Necks - fun times --!


Collinwood HS, when I was going there, was in a neighborhood of mostly Italians and Eastern European immigrants. There was tension between them, but the blacks were moving in and soon became the focus of prejudicial tension.


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