it's obvious the bible is bedtime stories to explain what people didn't understand.

so, when your pet dies, what do you tell your child when s/he asks "where does fluffy go when he dies?"

just curious, cause I've sometimes wondered what I would tell my kids (if I have any)

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I think most people start to talk about where "fluffy goes when he dies" before the kids even ask. When I was growing up in a christian home my dad told me that pets didn't have souls and so they didn't go anywhere. They just died. I remeber it bothered me for a short time and then I got over it.


For my kids I asked them what they thought and then asked them why they believed it. Then I told them that no one had died and come back to tell us what had happened. - This really upset my baptist wife though.     

I don't want them to be atheist's because I told them it was right. I want them to come to the conclusions on their own. I simply try to guide their thinking toward the logical conclusion.

I remember hearing those same words when I was 6. My brother and I had done something "bad" and spanking us was not going to cover it. For some reason my older brother, 19, and sisters boyfriend, 22, came up with a new form of punishment. Shot gun in hand, and my dog Bear on a leash. They took us to a back area on our property where they had dug a giant hole.


Once there they went over their master plan. They told us that they were going to shoot my dog and if we covered our eye or looked away then they wouldn't make it quick. That said,  the boyfriend shot him twice. Luckily, just before he fired the first shot I raised my arm to block my little brothers view. He was my responsibility and I couldn't let him see that. Just as the dog was my responsibility, I remember thinking I can't fail at both.


In the end they tossed him into the hole and made us bury him. As my sisters boyfriend handed me the shovel he said "Don't think he will go to heaven, animals don't have souls, and God doesn't watch over those who don't deserve it."


Sorry,  I probably shouldn't talk about my past. I don't exactly have any good or positive examples of anything to share... I'm like that parade ruin-er that always pops up. That's why I typically never say anything.

holy shit. :(

Wow, thats horrible.

No need to apologize. Past experiences for good are bad are an important part of us.

Thank you. Yeah, as much as I don't like having it apart of me, I like to think I'm a much better person for it. Surely a stronger person.
What a horrible experience, I'm shaking right now even thinking about it.  So sorry you ever had to go through it.
Thank you for your kind words. I understand about the shakes, I get them when ever I try talking about any of it. It's also one of the reasons I haven't posted my story here yet. Shaking and typing don't mix.

Oh my fucking God.  


Sometimes - Like Hitchens - I wished there was a Hell ... 

I have two children. One is eight and the other four. They both understand already that death is what you have when there is no life. My wife and I have been honest with them from day one. We have not perpetuated ideas of Santa Claus or an afterlife but we also don't try and interfere with their imaginations. My four year old has already reasoned on her own that Santa is no more real than the cartoon characters on tv. My son even tried to help pad her imagination by advocating for Santa to which she vehemently argued her position as best a four year old can.

The thing that makes me curious is why would a child formulate such a question as "where does fluffy go" if they have not already been influenced into belief in some version of an afterlife. My children have asked a number of difficult questions but rarely have those questions hinted at such concepts. I understand that children are influenced in how they understand the world by a number of sources other than parents. We have made it a point to explain these various opinions held by others to them on a level they can understand. They know that their cousins believe in Jesus and heaven and hell. We have even gone so far as to let my mother and sister take them to functions at church for the fun of it.

They don't disrespect other people for believing differently but at the same time we teach them to stand up for themselves and not be bullied by majority opinion as much as possible. I suppose my question is this: Do you think that the belief that someone or something alive "goes somewhere" after death follows naturally from "human nature" or do you think that the idea is the product of influences in a child's environment? I hope my question is not too far off topic.

well when I was a child I asked where my pets went when they died. I assumed it was something all kids asked

Awhile back I was over at my nieces house, she is the I don't believe but kinda believe type and she has to amazingly adorable daughters who are damned smart. That day when I showed up at their house it was in complete turmoil her youngest daughter, 5, well her bird apparently died that day. Now my niece wanted to just toss it in the trash but the youngest wanted to bury the bird in the back yard. So an hour or so later here we all are out back, freezing, hole in the ground, toilet paper filled jewelry box and dead bird at the forefront. After we bury the bird the youngest turns to us all doe eyed and full of tears. Seeing as we are the all mighty and knowledgeable adults she says "Where did the bird go when he died? Did he go to heaven?". I couldn't answer because she is not my kid and my niece just suddenly went all mentally challenged, looking at me to come up with something. Before either of us could say a word her older daughter who was 8 at the time. Says "Really? he's in the box you just buried him in, heaven isn't real its just something people talk about to make themselves feel better about dieing, but at least you can come talk to him when ever you like because he is right there!" and she point at the freshly packed dirt. Apparently this was an OK answer for the youngest and we all went inside.


All I can say though is when I heard her say that I was ecstatic. Mentally I was doing back flips around the yard. Here she was, 8 years old and more mentally aware of reality then most adults.


I don't have any kids yet but I pretty much made the decision to be as upfront and direct as possible. I want to protect them and if not lying to them is the way to protect them then I will. Last thing I want is for them to go to the church for the answers I don't give them.

We havent lost any pets yet.  I have 3 kids and a cat.  We saw a dead cat decomposing on the side of the road when we were walking (no car at the time... walked everywhere and it was on the only road we could use).  It was really disgusting and the kids saw it before I could shield them from it.  They now know exactly what happens when a kitty dies.  The cat stayed there for days and even though we crossed the street well before and well after the poor thing, they still tried to look.  They dont seem too traumatized.  Perhaps because it wasnt our pet.  I think it helped that we had talked about it before, with silly definitions of what alive meant.  To them, if you can eat and go potty, then you are alive.  When you are dead, you dont do any of that. 


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