I'm thinking about posting this to a few more religious forums, but I'd just like to hear what people have to say on here.

So, playing Devil's Advocate, and hopefully without a bunch of straw man replies, what is the best argument for God you've heard? And, if you really can't stand it, why is that argument not good enough?

My favorite is Descartes' Ontological argument- but since I don't have a clear and distinct perception of God, this one still isn't enough for me.

Excited to hear replies!

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So basically your objection is to the existence of Absolute phenomena, because there always exists a naturalistic explanation, right?

Wrong. I have stated my objection clearly and repeatedly from the beginning. Your claim to have "proof" that is undeniable to science is false. You have no such scientific proof. You have no data. These thin-air assertions of "Absolute phenomena"-- with a capital A-- fall under the same umbrella: not scientific. 

And consequently, an infinite regress is required - otherwise we would have an Absolute phenomenon that started everything, right? Or did you have something else in mind?

Wrong. The consequences of unproven, non-existent "Absolute phenomena" require nothing but a guffaw when presented as undeniable. Ignorance requires nothing. The lack of a scientific explanation requires nothing, but it does invite non-scientific conjecture.

I've already explained and linked to what I had in mind for that conjecture: ("Here begins theoretical physics. Such as the multiverse hypothesis, which is slowly gaining traction, that our universe is one bubble in an infinite and inaccessible foam. But it's conjecture and it is presented as conjecture, not proof. Strictly speaking it's not even scientific because there's no way to test it.")

The universe could be one universe in an infinite sea of universes, rendering first cause and probability irrelevant. But as I said: we don't know and science isn't pretending to know. That's your schtick.

Would this "Absolute phenomena" be the Christian god or one of the other ones?


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