The subject title says it all. To listen to some GOP'ers talk, you'd think socialism was Communism.

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You left out probably the #1 cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union. It attempted to achieve military parity with the United States which was so expensive it drained the economy.

And where did America get the money to build a military that would frighten the Soviets into draining their economy?

While Reagan borrowed/stole it from our offspring, Repubs were attacking Dems for taxing and spending.

Despite my angry letters to Dems, they were too wimpy to attack Repubs for borrowing and spending. Finally, deciding that Dems were helping Repubs spend the money they'd borrowed/stolen, I stopped my letters.

Yea, and you might wonder if it bankrupted us, too. We spent an awful amount of money, human resources and lives on that (public myth) so-called "cold war". Oh dang it, I said it. ;-)

- kk

Everything You Think You Know About the Collapse of the Soviet Union Is Wrong

"...but the intention is not evil by any means."

Unhappily, some idealists are so committed to improving the world THEIR WAY, that they lose patience and and either imprison or kill those who oppose them. Think Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, and others. Idealists all.

Notice, I did not put Marx on the above list. Some or many capitalists are paranoid.

And this, some GOP'ers say socialism is Communism.

A few even say democracy is socialism. Real democracy (not the seriously limited American kind) might lead to a form of socialism: employee ownership of their workplaces.

A few even say democracy is socialism. Real democracy (not the seriously limited American kind) might lead to a form of socialism: employee ownership of their workplaces.

FYI, many employee-owned corporations exist in the United States. The following list is in no way exhaustive:

Acadian Ambulance
Alion Science and Technology
Arup
ASC
Avis Rent a Car System - employee-owned 1987-1996; sold to HFS, which became Cendant
Bi-Mart
Black & Veatch Corporation
Bob's Red Mill
Brookshire Brothers
Bureau of National Affairs - sold to Bloomberg L.P. in 2011
Burns & McDonnell Engineering
Carter's Foods
Certain Affinity
CH2M Hill
Chicago and North Western Railway - sold to Union Pacific Railroad in 1995
Columbia Forest Products
Dahl's Foods
Davey Tree Expert Company
DreamHost
Ebby Halliday Realtors
Edgewood Management, LLC
Ferrellgas Partners
Food Giant
Frontline Test Equipment
Full Sail Brewing Company
Gensler
Golder Associates
Graybar
Greene Plastics Corp
Greatland Corporation
Huawei
HDR, Inc.
Hensel Phelps Construction
Herff Jones
Hot Dog on a Stick
Houchens Industries
Hypertherm
Hy-Vee
John J. McMullen & Associates - now part of Alion Science and Technology
John Lewis Partnership
Journal Communications
Kantega
King Arthur Flour
Landmark Education
Lifetouch
LPK
Mast General Store
Mathematica Policy Research
Mercedes Homes
Mott MacDonald
Mushkin
New Belgium Brewing Company
Niemann Foods
North Highland
Omaha World-Herald
Osmose
Parsons Corporation
PCL Construction
Peter Kiewit Sons'
Phelps County Bank
Price Chopper (New York) (Golub Corp.)
Publix Super Markets
Raycom Media
Recology
Rosendin Electric
Scheels
Schreiber Foods
Schweitzer Engineering Laboratories
Springfield ReManufacturing
Stiefel Labs
STV Group
Swales Aerospace
Talis Group
Terracon
Tidyman's
Tribune Company
Twin City Fan Companies, Ltd
Westat
WinCo Foods
W. L. Gore & Associates
W. W. Norton & Company
Woodman's Food Market

Hey UInseen,

I think you can add United Airlines to that ... ?

- kk

There are a few more.

A book published five years ago claimed that employees own more than eleven thousand American companies. I was scanning the book at the library and was so UNsurprised that I didn't bother to note the title or author.

While living in SF 20 years ago and browsing a bookstore, I found a directory of northern CA companies owned by their employees. I didn't look for the number of such companies.

In the early 1970s, an edition of Harvard Business Review cited two advantages of employee ownership; it's kinder to the environment and there's less employee theft.

It would, indeed, be a bit odd to include Marx, a philosopher, with a list of rulers...

The real question though is whether the philosopher didn't think it through far enough to see problems inherent (i.e., that will inevitably arise) in what he advocated, given that real people would have to adopt the system, and they live in a real world where sometimes things just go wrong, up to and including things we still quaintly refer to as "acts of god."

The mistake might be of the same order of seriousness as forgetting to design bathrooms into an office building, but much more subtle because the philosopher is working at a much higher level of abstraction.

"In depicting the most general phases of the development of the proletariat, we traced the more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat."

I think he had a pretty decent idea, it's not exactly a secret that people tend to object if you take stuff they consider theirs. Socialists in general don't mind a few broken eggs if they want an omelette, and it's quite easy to dismiss traitors in any event. Marx offered little in terms of concrete policy (even less than Romney!) and merely presented general ideas often based on extrapolating and interpreting the past into the future. The groundwork for implementation was in large part made by Lenin, though a number of others have also worked on that aspect, chief among them Mao and Trotsky. 

Or twenty years ago forgetting to design conduits for wiring the many computers that would be required in the new main public library in San Francisco.

That design flaw made it into the newspapers.

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