The subject title says it all. To listen to some GOP'ers talk, you'd think socialism was Communism.

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" seems the health of the system is dependent upon continual growth."

The health of the system? No, the health (economic health) of the people in the system, who depend on it to satisfy their needs. Most, if not all, of them feel economically insecure. They put their personal efforts into feeling more secure and the system works...for some of them.

Why have American workers allowed their wages to flat line?

"...all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Do those words from the Declaration of Independence answer my question?

Have capitalism's rulers succeeded in dividing us enough that they have conquered us?

Tacitus, the Roman statesman, said "Were the people to rule themselves they would create trust. May they ever have distrust for one another, for as our need for power hurries us on, fortune can give us no greater gift than their mutual distrust."

Let's see Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Putin, Helle Thorning Smith and North Korea.

And if that is not enough, I live in a country with a socialist government and they have been in office for 1.5 year and they have made the GDP fall with 11.5%, they make more laws (and stupid once), they wast money on random things like people on social services (Student Financial Services not include), they have given more money to people who have been with out work for a long period, 1.5 year and longer and said AIIH you don't have too apply for as many jobs, and because of that they have to cut on other more relevant areas like hospitals, schools and so on.

In short they are mental

But is that due to socialism or to  the idiocy of the particular socialists in control in your country? 

BTW, by all accounts socialist countries are better places to live. I found this list of the 10 happiest countries. Most are what we Americans would call socialistic:

  1. Norway
  2. Denmark
  3. Finland
  4. Australia
  5. New Zealand
  6. Sweden
  7. Canada
  8. Switzerland
  9. Netherlands
  10. USA 

Here is the source.

From the same article: "They are all borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth. Yet they don’t let that socialism cross the line into autocracy. Civil liberties are abundant (consider decriminalized drugs and prostitution in the Netherlands). There are few restrictions on the flow of capital or of labor. Legatum’s scholars point out that Denmark, for example, has little job protection, but generous unemployment benefits. So business owners can keep the right number of workers, while workers can have a safety net while they muck around looking for that fulfilling job."

Most of the countries you listed in your first paragraph were/are run by dictators.


Well of course they are fools, they seems to have no idea of economics and what is actually need to run a country, but that has been a general rule in Denmark is: 4-8 years with Socialist who fucks up the economic and then 4-12 years with liberals trying to fix the economic.

The socialist in my country seems to have any sense for realism and some of my Norwegian friends have the same idea :) of course our liberals are more what should we say red than others, they still seem more "adult"

So I would say yes it is do to socialism (boy my old government teacher is going to kill me), because the parties with a liberal point of view is better leaders in my opinion. But of course we have some nutheads on the right (Our political system is divide into LEFT - Center - Right, left being social/kommu) to.

And no I am not political active

Here's for the continuation of a continuing blue Sweden, a blue Norway come next year, and a blue Denmark asap (though I doubt Helle is in a rush..)

He he Gucci Helle is never in a rush

Dear Unseen,

I read your link and it appears to be from a blog post.  I have googled the 'happy country' expression and have found the following information on the current 'Happy Planet' survey.

Happiest countries in 2012

I was moved to review your results above when I noticed the UK did not appear at all.  Strangely, in the list on this link, the UK ranks at 41, whereas the USA doesn't appear until 105.

I believe that any national list has probably the desire to reflect it's own country high on such criteria.  However, the seemingly independent link attached also has a further link embedded within it that describes the formula used to make these calculations.

I do not see a 'socialist/fascist/libertarian' pattern in these countries and their order on the list, but you may well be more knowledgeable than I on that front.

That's a horrible measure as the denominator used is resource consumption, thus the richer the country the less happy it will be, ceteris paribus. The Columbia University's World Happiness Report is a much more authoritative source. 

I doubt if anyone here is going to bother reading the report, much less all the footnotes. I did look in it for a country-by-country list and didn't see one.

Sorry, this should be more easily digestible.

I see that the majority of the countries ahead of the US in the report are countries with far more socialism than the US.


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