What is your take on extraterrestrial intelligences, have you seen "UFO"s , or even been in one if you lucky and caught by a surprise ? Have you met any people from other planets ? Or simply if you have not, what are your thoughts about the topic, and would you like to have an experience ?

Do you believe in the existence extraterrestrials ? (Belief is based on faith or trust without looking at the evidence, data, mathematical models, that is because your friend saw something, and you trust your friend, without research, that is belief)

Do you understand the existence of extraterrestrials ?

(Understanding is based on collecting data , evidence, mathematical models such as drake equation, astrobiology research etc and deriving a conclusion)

Do you know the existence of extraterrestrials ?

(That is when you have had your own personal experience, scrutinized it to be legitimate experience, as well as comparing your experience with other's evidence data and so on)

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Frankly I'm baffled why some people here were ready to cut you so much slack, but at the end yours is just another story of imaginary, unproven, magical nonsense and should be treated no differently.

I think because she has presented herself as a victim. A sad sack. "Let's not be hard on her because she was born with both male and female genitals and she says she's been oppressed by the government and people give her a hard time for some reason."

The thing is, when she's telling us like that she's had in-person contact of an unpleasant nature with aliens and has been on an alien spacecraft, why should we even take her other claims seriously? 

Because some people, for whatever reason or reasons, find themselves in situations others can't believe.  I am not saying danielle is psychotic, but in theory somebody could be psychotic AND have difficult-to-fathom-unless-you've-been-there-yourself circumstances going on.  I have seen it before.  I have not believed before, and have been proven wrong.

One might just say exactly the same thing was Moses and the burning bush, Dianne.  The point is that anyone still retaining a grasp on reality would realize how crazy those claims were and wouldn't expect others to believe them.  Anyone who takes offense to credulity in such circumstances definitely needs a wake-up call.

I can see your point.  It's just that perception and reality can be very tricky.  I have had things happen that I have thought others wouldn't believe.  I have had things happen that I don't believe!  I don't talk about some things because of that, but they definitely happened.  Or, alternately, that is how my memory perceives things went.  Just because someone has some outlandish claims it does not necessarily follow, to me, that nothing he or she says is likely to be real.   Life is just not that black and white to me.

You've completely missed the point so let me make this as clear as I can.

I'm not addressing the veracity of the claim itself.  I do not believe that it occurred, but that is irrelevant.

I am addressing the ability to realize that sane people simply would not accept such a claim at face value.  In evaluating the mentally ill, this ability is called 'insight'.

For the most part, as long as a person has such 'insight', it is possible to engage them in a discussion of their experience.  Once they lose that insight, no exchange is possible as they will simply prattle on about crazier and crazier shit, demanding that all claims be accepted at face value.

I did not miss the point.  I got it.  I'm not stupid, Heather.  I know what insight is.  I also know what compassion is.

You said you got the point - and then went on to suggest that one could never be so certain about the veracity of the claim.  How then, was that relevant, when the point wasn't the veracity of the claim?

Never mind.  I will drop back and punt.  It's not worth it to me to get into this with you.  I was simply trying to promote some compassion and understanding where it seemed lacking.  

Ah, the age-old thinking person's dilemma. Integrity or compassion? I'm starting to believe all virtues fall on one of these two sides of the same coin. Truth or kindness? Honor or sympathy? Wisdom or understanding-- but then even understanding is both something you can do and something you can be. The truth is almost always the right thing-- in the few cases in which it isn't, compassion is (the "kids and Santa rule"). But it's hard to hold back. When faced with heinous ignorance, how can we stop ourselves from unleashing the searing light of truth upon troglodytes? It's like finding a cold dark planet and you having a sun but having to keep it covered up. It feels wrong. Burdens of righteousness I suppose.

You're not alone, Diane.

(Wait, was that truth and compassion in the same sentence? How is that possible?!)

I also know what compassion is.

Sounds like you're trying to discuss apples with someone who doesn't even understand the meaning of fruit.

I have had a few "happenings" that seem to defy logic, physics, common sense. I just can't explain them. Why would a street gypsy in Italy approach me and tell me (in Italian, I can speak it OK) that my grandfather drowned? Not sure I will ever understand that. I did find out later my grandparents were from Transylvania, Romania, immigrated to NY in 1904 and yes he did drown in NY in a boating accident.


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