I say it is meaningless or "it would be better for a man not to be born than to be brought into the world", but Im just curious and somewhat sick of debates at the moment so you can criticize my view I just may not answer and Id like to hear yours
Also another question I have for Atheists is why should I (or anyone else) be moral if there is no God? I wont accept it if it is subjective because subjective morals makes Nazism moral.
You really believe all that stuff because, without it, you feel emptiness? Is that really a reason to believe? You sound like an alcoholic who only drinks to cure their loneliness, but it's a pretty poor anecdote.
You can have whatever self-ordained purpose you want; it can be as noble and lofty as you want, or it can be as mundane as living on the beach and surfing. Do what you love and have a passion for... that can be your purpose. Having some invisible guy tell you what to do doesn't actually seem that fulfilling to me.
The universe is a brutal place; its violence certainly isn't proof of a higher being. Humans behave like animals because we ARE animals. We create happiness; we agree to work together for good and fight against all the terrible things in the world. Religion is a bigger snare than non-belief, I can tell you that. Don't fret so much.
That was my point. You say I'm generalizing about religion, but so are you. You're telling us that you know all of this pain and hardship, and ya there are a lot of bad things in the world, but it seems like your negative take on it stems from your religion.
You say people don't want to make this world a better place for anyone but themselves, but I wonder if what you're really seeing is that, in general, religious people don't want to make this world a better place for anyone but themselves. What's more self-centered than to believe that humans are the ultimate end-product of some other being's creation, that you are reserved a place in an immortal life because you apologize to your belief even though you may have harmed and hurt others, and that you don't have to work for moral and scientific understanding because a 2,000 year old book has all your answers?
So, stemming from your religious beliefs and experiences, you've found life meaningless and lacking in benefit. Granted that is just your personal viewpoint, but like I said I've heard that type of thing from more of my friends who are religious, specifically christian, than those who are not.
I doubt you've actually found that religious people tend to know more about science than the non-religious. Religious people tend to be the most scientifically illiterate.
Of course I generalize to all religion. That's what this is about. I find religion itself to be lacking in guidance and freedom. Individual people can have a hodgepodge of opinions and not all of them necessarily religious. I'm hopeful that more religious people will ask the questions that religious leaders don't want to answer. I'd like to see more religious people thinking rationally about morality.
1) Meaning of life: For me it requires no other objective than that of living. I enjoy ever minute, even if it is with the long term goals in mind. When I spend time with my family, I really, really do my best to connect. When I look at artwork, I cherish it for the temporary beauty it is. I don't have some eternal afterlife to look forward to, so I'm enjoying the here and now.
2) Since when does god make you moral? Have you ever actually read the Bible? God rewards adulterers, murders children with bears, participates in genocide worse than any Nazi officer could comprehend and advocates rape. There are rules FOR stoning people, but rules against trimming your beard or eating shellfish. It's a backwards, superstitions bunch of contradictions written by goat herders!
I'm moral because I despise the hypocrite. I don't act like a dick because I wouldn't want someone to act like a dick to me.
In terms of relativity, (cus hey, some people ARE masochists!) I just go with what an average, every day person would appreciate if I think my own particular judgment might be off.
Well then you should try to conduct a study or try to get someone with better capabilities than you to conduct a study that tried to find the genuine Christians and also tests their sex lives in comparison to atheists and less "genuine" Christians. I'd be interested to see that study too. I bet the results would be similar. You bet the results would be different.