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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on May 2, 2010 at 7:55pm

I think your missing the point the Creator is above the created. God is just flat out better than Adam because He is in a higher plane of existence. God is the one who makes the rules not man. He condemns men for their actions not for Adam's actions

There's an argument for amorality if ever there was one.

Permalink Reply by David on May 2, 2010 at 8:02pm

//I think your missing the point the Creator is above the created. God is just flat out better than Adam because He is in a higher plane of existence. God is the one who makes the rules not man. He condemns men for their actions not for Adam's actions

There's an argument for amorality if ever there was one.//
Thats assuming your actions dont merit condemnation and who are you to say they dont? Your nobody. HItler thought he was doing the World a service, almost no murderers turn themselves in and almost all people who commite crimes have a "good reason" for it. For example, "everyone else was doing it"

Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on May 2, 2010 at 8:11pm

Your nobody.

Really? My mom thinks I'm somebody.

HItler thought he was doing the World a service, almost no murderers turn themselves in and almost all people who commite crimes have a "good reason" for it. For example, "everyone else was doing it"

Well, I agree that comparing God to Hitler is pretty accurate.

Permalink Reply by David on May 2, 2010 at 11:33pm

//So God created Adam, much like parents create their children. Then, when Adam disobeys God, much like all children do, God's remedy is to burn Adam and all his descendants in hell forever. I would turn my back on your mean little god even if he was real.

Can you imagine if your child disobeyed you, and to punish him you put his hand on the stove? What kind of a parent would you be?//

Mentor I think your missing the point when you examine this story or any other story you should keep in my the sacrifice of the Christ. God has provided an alternative to the judgement deserved by Man. That is the Good News of the Gospel. The parent analogy doesn't work with that picture because the parent is no better than the child having once been a disobedient child them self. God is not guilty of the same things or anything that we are.

I also want to comment on the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for ungrateful people/ When you sin against an eternal God what kind of punishment should you receive? Naturally an infinite punishment because your crimes are against a higher being. your committing an infinite crime. Christ being fully God is an infinite being. So he took on our infinite punishment because He was the only One who could so we wouldnt have to spend eternity in Hell. An infinite being would experience more pain in 3 days that a human would over the course of an eternity. Christ suffered more pain than anyone could possibly suffer so that you might live if your willing to swallow your pride admit your wrongs and submit to God.

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Permalink Reply by David on May 2, 2010 at 11:55pm

Col 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.

So what holes are there in my argument. Are these the "holes" and "logical absurdities"

//Exactly what sort of "higher being" wants to inflict infinite punishment on lowly life forms?//

God created man above all beings in his image and likeness though we are lower than God we are higher than everything else. We bear his image and when we do evil that is a direct insult on God's character and Judgement

//God is less than a worm if that is his or her mode of punishment//

Really what qualifies you to make that judgement?

Permalink Reply by David on May 3, 2010 at 12:14am

////If you are right then God is really a piece of work. A two year human toddler acts better than him. Doesn't it bother you that you are telling us to worship a being who even though he supposedly created the universe gets insulted when one human animal on one planet of one galaxy in a universe containing quadrillions of galaxies does something he does not like? Do you rage and throw temper tantrums when ants invade your house? Jesus, David, you are infinitely better than the God of the Bible.////

You are really missing the point. God is personal God cares for each person so much that he would be willing to go to hell for them. We arent just ants to God we are more significant than that what we do matters, but we arent so significant that we can judge or even attempt to judge an infinite God.

Permalink Reply by David on May 2, 2010 at 11:08pm

//HItler thought he was doing the World a service, almost no murderers turn themselves in and almost all people who commite crimes have a "good reason" for it. For example, "everyone else was doing it"

Well, I agree that comparing God to Hitler is pretty accurate.//

Actually im comparing you to lither

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Permalink Reply by David on May 3, 2010 at 12:27am

Parts of it I have many issues
"Nobody sees God." - with their eyes but people can perceive God and see God in different ways.

/God is not touched even by imagination./
I completely disagree with this one

/ Through that medium also you are
experiencing only the existence God. Only experience of existence is possible./
I dont really understand what this means
//There is no way to see God directly//
There is a temporary truth

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Permalink Reply by David on May 3, 2010 at 12:35am

//It was a trick question, David. you just agreed partly with the Hindu definition of a Swami. I guess it is true that Jesus did visit India at some time during his life.//
Maybe I did agreee a little bit but all I said was No one sees God directly with their eyes

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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on May 3, 2010 at 1:12am

Well, that doesn't make much sense at all. Let's run the comparison now. It's in a chart, so it has; to be true*.

~	Hitler	God (Christian)	Kris
Human?	Yes	No, except when he is.	Yes
Has Personal Ideology/ Moral Code?	Yes	Seems like it	Yes
Expresses it in a Manifesto?	Yes: Mein Kampf	Yes: The Holy Bible	No, but one time I drew a picture of a bird. It might have been symbolic. Probably not though.
Has an Organized Following?	Nazis	Christians	No. Well, a cat followed me home once. Does that Count?
Has Mustache?	Yes	Yes	No, just shaved.
Persecutes/ Murders Dissenters?	Yes: -Communists -Religious Dissenters -Nazism Critics in General -Criminals -P.O.W.s	Yes: We're going to need a much bigger box.	No
Persecutes/ Murders People for no Damn Reason?	Yes: -Jews -Homosexuals -Roma -Undesired Ethnicities -People with mental and physical disabilities	Yes: We're going to need a much bigger box.	No
Starts/ Inspires Wars?	Yes: WWII	Yes: We're going to need a much bigger box.	No
Causes Harm to Puppies and Kittens?	Yes	Yes	No
Likes Cotton Candy?	No**	No**	Occasionally

*valid only for charts made by me
**speculative

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Permalink Reply by luvtheheaven on May 3, 2010 at 1:16am

Lol amazing box. Although I disagree with the whole God having a mustache bit.

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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on May 3, 2010 at 1:19am

Jesus had one and Jesus is God.

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