What is the Greatest Evidence for or Against the Existence of the Judeo-Christian God?

What is the greatest evidence for or against the existence of the Judeo-Christian God is a offshot debate from a thread, between Reg and Michael

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Reg, one of my strongest evidence, has been the study of fulfilled prophecy. In college back in the seventies I wrote a paper predicting the EU based on the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation. Moreover the book of Revelation spoke of a beast with two horns that looked like a lamb but spoke like a dragon. Ruling on the earth. It did not take any amazing powers of deduction to realize that it was speaking of the Christian Roman Empire ( so called, since in fact it was ruling in the stead of Pagan Rome with all of its wickedness) The two horns refer to the two seats of Empire, Rome and Constantinople and as the Empire was divided between the Latins in the west and the Greeks in the west, which gave rise to the Latin Church in the West and the Greek Orthodox Church in the East. it spoke as a Dragon since it imposed false Christianity upon the world by the sword and pursecuted the true Apostolic Churches in Jerusalem And Asia Minor. And under Emperor Constantine. The greatest Apostasy was imposed, the great lie, the Nicene Creed with its Trinitarian falsehood.it is prophecied that this beast would give its power back to the Roman Beast and the EU is that precursor. Even as it is still divided into the Laiin Rite and the Orthodox Rite with the primates still ruling in Rome and Constantinople (Istanbul) "behold I have told you before so that when it comes to past you might believe "
Michael...if someone used the Koran in their own subjective way to predict the existence of things which came true...would you consider that evidence of ye existence of Allah?

If that man also made countless predictions and only a handful came true...would you consider his predictions as actual predictions or the statistical likelihood that when enough predictions are made...a few are bound to come true? Or would just a couple predictions based on the text of the Koran...coming true would be enough to consider the Koran as evidence of the existence of Allah? What about all the ones that didnt come true?

What other predictions did you make? Being completely honest...what were all the predictions you have made and which have come true and which have not. Be very specific and be completely honest.
There aren't too many prophecies in the Koran. Thus less prophetic evidence to detect Divine interaction and verify that it has happen or will happen. It does speak of an Apocalypse. I will give credit for acknowledging the prophets of the old Testsment.

Michael you didn't answer any of my questions. You simply made a claim that one of the holy books which has supernatural claims (Koran) made less prophesies than another holy book that makes supernatural claims (bible).  I asked no such question. The Koran is utterly loaded with prophesies...so unless you simply haven't read the Koran or know next to nothing about it...you've just made that up. A basic elementary google search reveals the wikipedia page on it, and endless websites connecting prophesies in the Koran with a methodology and examples of future events fulfilling them. Nice try but you are wrong.

Let's return to the questions I asked because if we would take your claim seriously (that the prophesies of the Bible coming true give evidence that the holy text of the bible is a trusted source) I need more information on how to assess such prophecies in all holy books:

1. if someone used the Koran in their own subjective way to predict the existence of things which came true...would you consider that evidence of ye existence of Allah?

2. If a man made countless predictions using a holy book and only a handful came true...would you consider his predictions as actual predictions or the statistical likelihood that when enough predictions are made...a few are bound to come true?

3. would just a couple predictions based on the text of the Baghavad Gita...coming true would be enough to consider the Koran as evidence of the existence of Allah?

4. What about the prophesies in the Bible that didn't come true? Should we ignore those?

5. What other predictions have you made based on the bible?

6. What percentage of these predictions should come true?

7. What kind of methodology should we use to study and label text as prophecies and what methodology should we use to link those predictions with later events?

8.  Being completely honest...what were all the predictions you have made and which have come true and which have not. Be very specific and be completely honest.

Try to answer at least a few of these in a clear manner addressing the question and not an irrelevant side matter.

Another unsubstantiated claim. The Koran is loaded with prophecies. You speak as one unfamiliar with the topic. The prophets of the bible were the only ones to direct Israeli kings and the Kings of Babylon and Persia. As under the Laws of Mose, if what a prophet predicted was false there was death. The most famous prophecies are those of Daniel. King Nubuchanezzar had s dream that no one dared interpreted firstly because you had to tell him what the dream was about. Daniel interpreted it. It was an accurate prediction of the succession of world Empires even beyond our history. Notably is the Roman Empire to face the coming of the Lord. The EU is the precursor of the Roman Empire resurrected.

And again you've not answered his questions.

"Mose," LOL

@Michael:

"It was an accurate prediction of the succession of world Empires even beyond our history."

LOL, it just gets deeper and deeper. :)

I've read the Koran as well as the bible, the baghavad gita, the torah numerous times and many bhuddist scriptures. I know what I'm talking about and I've gotten the impression that you've read very little of the Koran and that your claims about it is based on unreliable secondary sources . Even the wikipedia page on the Koran talks about prophesies. I shouldn't need to substantiate something so common knowledge if you know anything about holy texts which you claim to do. And I'm not going to elaborate on anything more until you stop avoiding my questions and answer them.

Second...you are hijacking the term prophet and prophesy and changing it in a way that suits you defense of the validity of your religion. This is a major major major fallacy. It would be no different than defining God as "the bearded man in the sky as described by the bible" or defining a miracle as an extraordinary event at the hands of a singular God". This is defining a term so that only the examples you want to be true are included and all others are excluded. So when you define prophets by the characteristics of some of those prophets found in the bible...then no non-bliblical prophets can truly be a prophet. What you've done here is intellectual trickery....which is something you won't get away with on think atheist. Like it or not...there are/were Christian, Muslim, bhuddist and Hindu prophesies/prophets. Your cropped and moulded definition is an idiosyncratic one and no one here is interested in them. Now, whether they actually communicated with the supernatural realm is a different story.

Now...would you care to answer some of my questions above?

In a prior post you said...

There aren't too many prophecies in the Koran.

Yet here you say...

The Koran is loaded with prophecies.

Hi Michael, could we get a working definition for your God so that we know what we are debating?  I find that many Christians have different ideas about this. For some God is a Spirit as in John 4:24, for others he is a personal God as in “I am not religious but…” while others have some sort of vague deist concept of a god that does not become involved with the affairs of humans.

The I Am is a spirit that appeared to Moses, first as a burning bush signifying what he Moses will become. But in fact the heavens of heaven can not contain him. In the near East the name of a God was living and not just a vocalized sound. When you invoked the name of the deity you were invoking its power. In this vain we are baptized into the name of God. God even told Solomon to build a Temple for his name to dwell and at its dedication God spoke from the Heaven and from within the Temple. We are to become this Temple being baptized into his name.

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