I am SO appalled and scared to see where this nation is headed. What are we going to do as us women watch all the progress we have made go down the tubes??

The abortion law in Ohio is truly scary, and a precursor of what is to come. Women will no longer have the right to choose, they won't be able to afford birth control, and viagra will still be free....

What...the.....fuck!

I'm SO mad, and SO hurt.....and SO scared, and I just want OUT of this fucking dumbass country.

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One thing you are going to do is loudly denounce religion. And faith. 

I don't have to denounce anything to be pro-choice. I am pro-choice. Period. And I will continue to be so. What I WILL do is denounce the way the GOP has sought to impose their agenda on women as a power/control mechanism and use the Bible as a means to back up their misogyny. 

Choose secularism. Catholics are the major cause of the abortion restrictions and the untold misery of women. Catholics love to spread their filth to 3rd world nations where they spur cycles of ignorance and misery as they implement backwards policies on birth control and abortion. 

If you are a Catholic or in any way religious you are a part of the problem. Civilization is fucked as long as religion is extant. And it is a sliding scale. Where religion is most powerful the rights of women are most restricted. Where it has the least influence the rights of women are greatest. 

Catholicism was invented as a way to control the people and rule the masses. I am not Catholic.

RE: If you are a Catholic or in any way religious you are a part of the problem.

I reject that claim. It is a generalizing sweeping statement. I agree that countries who are least religious have a higher quality of life. Any religious point of view that uses its status as a means of power and control has abused its authority and is not only wrong, it's immoral.

In evaluating how things have come to be and how to ameliorate the undesirable aspects of civilization, generalizations are unavoidable. We can't make any conclusions without generalizing because it is nearly impossible to find absolute consistency. So it is with abortion. Indeed, there are catholics who are fine with abortion. There are atheists who are opposed. But in addressing cause of restrictive abortion legislation look straight at the catholic church and do not pass go. 

It is not a point of view that uses its status as a means of power and control. It is a political/religious institution. And again we have a sliding scale. Where the political/religious institution is strongest it wields its power to implement its policies in the most aggressive and egregious way. Think about Islam and sharia law.  Where the power of the political/religious institution has waned it is less effective in implementing its policies and even makes those policies more closely aligned with the better secular values.(That should not be confused with enlightenment and instead should be viewed as an effort to maintain power)

RE: In evaluating how things have come to be and how to ameliorate the undesirable aspects of civilization, generalizations are unavoidable.

They may be unavoidable to start the conversation, but they are insufficient to find true answers that would ACTUALLY work in public policy.

Religious views are tied deeply to culture that has evolved over millennia. It is naive and misguided to think that that religion is the problem. The problem is that we seek to use religion as justification for power and control. Especially over women. In that way religions have become intertwined with public policy. That goes against the separation of church and state here in the U.S. There is a REASON that exists. To allow people of all cultures and faiths to live free as they wish without being imposed upon. Our own government has forgotten that. THAT is the problem....They should all be fired.

No as to both cause and how to change. When humans stop being infantile and instead think for themselves they have a chance to use reason and empathy and compassion. Wullah, abortion! And that is what has happened in nations where the big bad church is not influential. 

Yes, religion and culture are inextricably linked. And at the risk of seeming a broken record...any place the religious institution is strong it infuses the culture with its filth. And the filth of religion dominates the culture and creates untold suffering. Once the culture manages a defenestration of the religious institution or at least relegates it to insignificant then the culture can progress.

If you are religious you are a part of the problem.

If you are religious you are a part of the problem.

Not unless I am pro-life...which I am not. So no. I am not part of the problem.

.........But your inflammatory language and sweeping statements that mis-characterize and try to stereotype people...THAT mentality is part of the problem...

The harm religion does is hardly limited to that one issue. 

And you are part of the problem. Even after having been deconverted and exposed to reason you have elected to embrace superstition and have offered up not a scintilla of justification. Truth be damned. God feels good. Atheism is unsatisfying. etc.(obviously this is my subjective take)

Just like any individual who knowingly joins a badass gang, evil sect or cult you are helping to perpetuate it. Without adherents there is no gang, sect or cult. It is simple. 

If you want reason, compassion and empathy to be guiding principles then you have taken the wrong path. 

I think what Jake means by "If you are religious you are a part of the problem." is that if you are religious, you give additional weight to the religious arguments used by the pro-choice people.

Any religious point of view that uses its status as a means of power and control has abused its authority and is not only wrong, it's immoral.

I think I agree with this.

Power and control are the realm of the state, and when we start mixing that up with religion we lose one of the checks on the power of the state.

It's true that in the history of my religion after Constantine for a period we were fairly tightly entwined with the Empire.  For most of our history, though, we functioned as an independent authority separate from the State.  Sometimes supporting, sometimes opposed.  It was always problematic when we got too involved in issues of governance.

@Jake: If you want reason, compassion and empathy to be guiding principles then you have taken the wrong path.


.....Your response is FULL of reason, empathy and compassion.....I can see that you really know what you're talking about....

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