After some thought I can see that you're correct on this. In my defense it was late and I'm new so I guess I should have kept my mouth shut till I got a better picture of what goes on here and what is acceptable.
I agree that as non-believers we need to define our morality in terms other than having it dictated to us by "authorities". Which is another reason why I find the idea of giving any government, under any circumstances, the "right" to torture offensive to the general concepts of liberty. Who draws the line? Who decides who has valuable information?
There are a number of cases where US citizens were tortured in the US or were sent to prisons in countries where their willingness to torture on the US behalf is documented.
Sassan will tell you that he think it should be used on a limited basis, I guess torturing hundreds is a limited based on world population.
This how I was informed when you are in places we say we aren't or you are doing black ops, if you are captured your on your own. If you are killed they will inform your family that you disappeared somewhere else other than where you were. to large degree you are on your own, but you know that going in.
These types of situations are the reason I don't take what the government says at face value, what they tell the public and what they do is not the same.
Do these special protections that only apply to U.S. citizens apply to anyone who achieves citizenship, or only those who are 'natural born citizens' as required for qualification to run for president? If Geneva and Constitutional rights are extended to those who 'achieved' citizenship, are the also extended to those who retain foreign citizenships, as in dual citizenships? What if a natural born American emigrates elsewhere? Can they hold their birth right not to be tortured if they assume a dual citizenship rather than renouncing their American citizenship? This is a big can of worms that I thought the Geneva convention was supposed to eliminate.
"I could equally well say prayer has prevented another 9/11 attack from happening."
[.......................] After reading your quote as listed, one can only deduce that from your thought processing. You claim that your "prayer" would have had as much effect as keeping us safe from another terrorist attack than taking the fight to Al Qaeda and dismantling their terrorist network and organization. [.............................]. I have come to conclude you are most likely an atheist to "stand apart from society" rather than rationality and logic.
(edited by moderator. inappropriate. -Nelson)