"the security and safety of innocent people must be the most important consideration. I.E. it said that intelligence from Khalid-Sheikh Mohammad may have led to actionable tips to identify the courier who led to Bin Laden.."
So we can justify torture of some one who maybe innocent because the security and safety of the innocent must be the most important consideration.
KSM is waterboarded 183 times in one month alone, we executed Japanese for war crimes for the same actions.
Whn I was tortured:
When I was in the military I had a quartermaster I did not get along with from the get go. Presumably it was my hatred of the position I found myself in which got transferred to the person who had the most immediate power of authority over me. After a few weeks he purchased a whip, in good old British Army Officer tradition, which then became the source of my utmost contemption. He would smack it behind you so you jumped and he laughed, smack it in our tents as we were getting what precious little rest we could, smack our pants if we were lagging behind under 10kg uniforms while carrying 12kg machinegun with a strap so narrow it has left a permanent indentation on my left shoulder and a 50kg backpack, or just general assholeness.
One morning, while a room was being inspected, he left his little whip outside and I stole it and hid it. As you may imagine, he was not amused. At inspection, the whole troop was been forced to hold out our rifles arms stretched, push ups, sit ups, and most PE you can imagine for 2 hours until we had to jog 6km to the shooting range (collective punishment FTW!. Again, you may imagine the dismay of my fellow soldiers and I quickly got ratted out.
But I never told him where I had hidden it.
That was, of course, until the day we took a little trip to the CS chamber (CS is teargas, nasty stuff that can actually kill you). My last name is far out in the alphabet, and the military of course starts with A. I therefore had the pleasure of seeing around 40 guys come out with snot and tears, telling horror stories. Then came my turn. I was let in, the door locked behind me, and a CS tablet lit up. As I removed my gas mask I instantly got panicked since I could barely breathe. I was then told to take a few pushups and say my name, the usual routine.
That was until I had done what I had came for. As I was headed to the door, the quartermaster did not move, but he did ask "Where is my whip?". At this stage I'm on the ground, barely able to move or talk, but I manage to utter the words which saved me that day "Oilingroom.. Ceiling vent".
I immediately cracked under torture and told the truth. Oh you of great opinion, have you ever actually been tested?
What is your point? You gave him the answer he wanted therefore what?
Been in CS chamber, been through prisoner war training to keep you from giving up the information when tortured. Now add to that a religious believe that you go straight to heaven, would they give up the information as you did?
No point. That's the point of telling a story. My points are made elsewhere in the thread. :)