So this forum post about guns got me thinking. What do you think will happen when another 9-11 happens in America? 

Me personally, SOPA/PIPA/ACTA will automatically pass. The internet will be a whole different landscape all in the name of, "National Security". 

I think this will make for an interesting discussion because it is talked about so little. 

So post your thoughts!

PS:

Keep this in mind before your post. Do we sacrifice our liberty in name of security? Also, will the people ever stand up for the ever apparent abuse of our liberty? Me personally, I am still on the fence. They seem to take, take, take, and never give back the powers given to them. Just like Star Wars*. 

PSS:

/rant

You know what has always bothered me? The word "HOMELAND" security. When did we become the "Homeland"? 

/end rant

*Yes I am a SW fan and yes Jar Jar can melt in hell. 

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All of this assuming 9/11 was in fact some sort of inside job aimed at steering future laws into certain directions.

I don't know. I like to think the above was not the case. Any time something big happens, whether it be 9/11 or the death of a celebrity, conspiracy theorists feel the need to run wild with things, often taking little hints at little possibilities (!) and doing what they can to persuade anyone that will listen that they were facts. Ya know, both Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Cobain were murdered. lol

I don't know...anything is possible.

No.  Consider the question assuming none of this assuming 9/11 was an inside job.  Assume simply, that people in power and citizens across the country have been terrified into sacrificing liberty for a sense of security.  There is no "conspiracy" behind the anti-liberty/pro-security legislation churned out by Congress over the last decade or the expansion of the executive branch.  If you need to have an evil twist to this tale, beyond our tragic loss of civil liberties, I suppose you could say that there are some opportunistic people behind these changes.  It's just as likely there are a lot of ignorant, fearful, corrupt officials doing what they think it best (be it for them or for the nation).

Yeah there are some that no matter if you showed them all the evidence in the world that the U.S government is not this all powerful, all knowing , super effective group that was behind 9/11 will never be reasoned with. If people really paid attention to how the government works they'd be surprised that anything gets done at all.

While I believe there is great potential for abuse of power during times of trial I also will not discount the American public's push back against somethings. All it takes is the right event to bring attention to things that should be questioned and the public while being known for often being oblivious can bring a lot of pressure that can't be ignored. While I rightly worry about what is done in the name of security I also have great hope.

Also...these sort of things interest me, but I try and not follow them too closely for one simple reason. Americans love guns in the same way we love drugs. Laws aren't going to stop us from obtaining them.

If another 9-11 happens, a few things will happen. The current president will be re-elected due to security fears. Security in general will Drastically increase, very-very-much so. The Stock Markets (in general) will plummet and economic recovery will be postponed for at-least 5 years. America will most-likely re-instate more troops into the Middle East. The War Against Terror will be reinforced severely! And racial intolerance against Arab people will increase by a large amount, but then settle-down in a few years once logic set back into the general public. Many more things would occur too (most that I probably can’t even think of), but nothing completely “life-changing” will occur.

And I agree even with Sway, but more so. Guns are (or should be) a “right” for humans (unless you have a criminal record). You need a (almost) fail-proof way to defend yourself, and guns are the only way to do this. And just as a side-note, 9-11 was a real Terrorist Attack committed by Terrorist who want to kill Americans. It bothers me to no end when people even bring it up in discussion; it is insulting to America and Logic it-self! Any-way to your other discussion points.

We should always try our best at preserving our Liberty and reducing Security (we shouldn’t “have” any enemies (as the absence of enemies is optimal), so we should try to reduce the amount of enemies we have (by either negotiations or war or such….), and thus reducing the “need” for “Security”). But some Security is needed (by the fact that we will always have enemies), so there is a slight balancing act, but this balance is heavily biased towards Liberty. That is what matters, because if we live in fear, we lose our Liberty, and America no-longer represents what we were founded upon, which is Freedom. (Wow, I feel that what I just typed was the most cheesiest thing ever! Oh-well.)

Also, people will never-ever stand-up as a whole unifying force, especially to regain “lost freedoms”, it is just to varied of a genre for everyone to stand-up for. People should do it, but it shall not (most likely) happen. Also, "Homeland" refers to the "land" of our "home". We live in America, so America is our Home. The security part should be self-explanatory. That is why it is called Homeland Security; it only refers to us, Americans.

Any power given to the government should be (but often isn't) designed to guard against when (not if, when) it will be abused. This is also why government should only be granted relatively specific powers and not wide-ranging, vaguely defined powers.

And they used Homeland because 'Motherland' was being used by Russia and 'Fatherland' is still in disrepute after WW II.

Well if another 9/11 type style attack happened there would be a very severe reaction in the United States among the population that I believe would be much more severe then after 9/11. If there was evidence of any nation state supporting such an attack with any means there would be a massive call for action. I think that the isolastionism streak among many in the United States would go away over night. It would be a mistake to assume that U.S wouldn't put to use the lessons it's learned in it's recent conflicts. I think those conflicts would greatly shape what the U.S did because whether people realize it or not the U.S military has learned much often the hard way in recent years about modern combat and there is an experienced group at the core of its military.

I believe that would be 1822.

The horror.

If you sacrifice liberty for security, no matter what you lose both. One things for sure though, we'll all be Americans! The only time "we're all Americans" is when something tragic happens. We can only be unified when shitty things happen apparently.

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