-With just 1% of the total population, Jews account for 22% of Nobel prize winners. I understand correlation isn't causation but with numbers that strong it makes me wonder what (if anything) they're doing right...
- Mormons run the largest online genealogy site which if you're interested in that sort of thing is a great tool for finding out something about your ancestors, and it's free to use. Of course, they collect and store this information so they can perform baptisms for the dead but that's harmless.
-The Quakers won the Nobel peace prize in 1947 for the relief work they had done in and after World War 2. Instead of murdering native Americans, they chose to trade with them and are committed to pacifism.
Now, I don't think any of this is beyond the ability of secular communities. There aren't any reliable numbers as to what percentage of Nobel prize winners were atheist but I suspect it's probably high. 93% of the NAS are atheist or agnostic (96% for the Royal Academy of Sciences) and they do 'real' science not just genealogical record keeping. Atheists have higher IQs than the religious (see below) and are far less likely to commit a crime (Google it).
Of course religion as a whole contributes far more bad shit than good; the burning of the libraries at Alexandria, the dark ages, the conquistadors, general commitment to ignorance and distrust of science, wars upon wars for millennia, but I want to know what good have they done. What other examples can you think of like the ones I gave? Like I said before, some of the deeds could have been done by anyone but they weren't done by anyone, they were done by religious groups. I think it's cultural, not necessarily as a consequence of faith but as a byproduct of having a community of people willing to work towards a common goal.
The reason I ask is because it seems to me like the trend is moving away from religion. Many people who claim religious belief don't seem to be very devout. Most don't attend church regularly. Most haven't even read the bible. Of those that have read the bible, I don't think many understood what they read. If they had they wouldn't be Christian. But, it seems to me like they have done some good. Will there be a group that dedicates their time and expense to keeping genealogy records in the future, providing those records to the public for free?
Anyway, put your critical thinking skills to the test and come up with an example of something good a religious group has done. I know many of us (myself included) are "loaded for bear" about religion and ready to do battle with theists any time any place but I'm sure we can all come up with at least one thing.
What good has religion done?.....
Provides comfort to those seeking "a purpose", complete knowledge, karmic justice, a moral code and/or eternal life free of pain. If one argues the ends justify the means, they should include all of the abuse that comes with such great "power and knowledge".
I'm not saying the ends justify the means, I'm looking for examples of the ends justifying themselves. I'm looking for some positive side-effects of religion. Knowledge? Karma? Eternal life? All that stuff is fake, or at best unproven.
Martin Luther King Jr was a Christian minister until the day he died. Many of his big speeches were sermons, and he consistently claimed that it was Jesus' love which inspired the things he did.
For many years of my life, believing in Jesus gave me a purpose, a reason to go on, and motivation to try to make myself a better person and be kind to others.
Martin Luther King was one of the inspirations for this question, not because he was Baptist but because he looked outside his religion for ideas. Mahatma Gandhi was an inspiration for King's nonviolence. Gandhi's stance on nonviolence was informed not only by his Hinduism but also from his study of other religious and secular ideas. I think there's a certain wisdom in pluralism or at least exploring other ideas to see what's useful. Surely you can think of something. Here's another example:
Astrology is bullshit. However, I find it useful for star gazing. I can glance at the sky and find Orion most nights and get my bearings. From there I can find other constellations, I've memorized the name of a few stars and so forth. I don't think science would've come up with this idea. It would be far more logical to just project a grid on the sky with (0,0) being at some arbitrary star and work from there. Constellations make astronomy more accessible to laymen I think.
No fair-minded person can conclude that Thoreau's work is a product of the Christian (or Hindu or Buddhist) religion
But, but, Christians want to believe that! Are you telling me that Thoreau's own words about Thoreau are more accurate than my own conclusions drawn from only a cursory understanding of his work?
Local, religious charities provide valuable community services for people who need them regardless of their religious status.
I am a solid atheist, speaking from personal experience with both ends of charity--the giving and the needy. I've seen (and participated in) faiths coming together for charity, with absolutely no religious agenda, and not even a hint of the concept of God. The only people I was even aware of having some kind of religious status were those who had well known religious affiliation in their community (like you might learn of in the news), separate from the charitable org.
It really depends on your particular definition of what positive actions by a group are considered good. Many would say those who operate soup kitchens for the poor, visit inmates at prisons, respond to natural disasters with food and clothing assistance are providing a valued community service. I am inclined to agree.
Architecture, art, music, literature, literacy and a fairly large number of things have been protected and/or enhanced by religion. And while we tend to find the history of religion quite brutal, recall that Christianity did displace a system where humans fought each other to death for entertainment in Rome and systems in which human sacrifice was wide spread in the New World. Islam replaced constant and brutal intertribal warfare in the middle east. In fact, many of the major religions today were substantially less brutal than the religions they replaced way back when.