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Permalink Reply by Unseen on June 12, 2012 at 11:23am

You don't know what it's like to be us, either, according to the same logic. And I agree with that totally as a permanent and irresolvable condition. So, what then?

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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 12, 2012 at 11:32am

here's an except from an the Article When it Comes to Politics, Are "We" More Racist Than We Think? (the we don't mean African Americans)

"The state with the highest racially charged search rate was West Virginia, where 41 percent of voters chose Keith Judd, a white man who is also a convicted felon currently in prison in Texas, over Obama just this May. Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, South Carolina, Alabama, and New Jersey rounded out the top 10 most-racist areas, according to the search queries used."

 http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/comes-politics-more-racist-think-...

So we DO know who you are...

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on June 12, 2012 at 11:54am

Oh, so this is your level of "research." I guess you didn't notice that that was an opinion piece, not a piece based on unbiased research.

It also included some very "duh!" facts. Like that google searches on "nigger" tended to end up at racist sites, or that West Virginians voted for an unknown against Obama. First off, I'm sure most people didn't vote at all for Obama since he was clearly going to be the Democratic nominee the next time around, and those who did knew that whoever the guy was running against him on the ballot, he represented a way to complain about the economy and jobs situation. Sure, some of them were making a racist vote, but the article offers no way to sort them out.

The article is meaningless, except to someone looking for racism behind every bush.

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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 12, 2012 at 1:18pm

lol I'm pretty sure you can read, so the only other explanation I can garner is that you are like the closet republicans in congress. 

Listen, the opinions were the surveys and they used the surveys to form their conclusions not unlike market RESEARCH! 

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on June 12, 2012 at 1:31pm

That last sentence of yours relates to mine: "The article is meaningless, except to someone looking for racism behind every bush." Also, which state I live in is irrelevant since I didn't move here for racial reasons. In fact, I, a white man, live in Euclid, OH, a suburb of Cleveland, OH, which is at least 80% black if not 90%. Of course, maybe they're not black enough for you because they are mostly middle class and don't seem to resent having a white man in their midst.

Like another article you once pounced on, the article you refer to here seems to go way beyond the research in its conclusions. But why not? It's an opinion piece after all.

And for YOU of all people to call me a racist is the absolute pinnacle of blind hypocricy.

Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 12, 2012 at 1:20pm

btw you must live in one of those states..lmao

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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 12, 2012 at 2:00pm

unseen where you live in the "suburbs" is that 80 or 90 percent "black?"...if not why did you mention Cleveland having that ratio?

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You also show me your racist qualities by thinking I'm racist by discussing it not from the white man's point of view. 

I know you unseen, just not your real motivations.

Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 12, 2012 at 2:02pm

Ohio IS one of those states..lol

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 12, 2012 at 2:30pm

Interestingly Shabaka, you seem to tend to avoid discussions in which you feel you could be proven less than the sage you seem to think you are. You commented earlier about Europeans spreading their thinking around the world, based on power, to which I responded with the following post, which you've clearly avoided answering:

@ Shabaka - Wow, sounds like you're describing the spread of Islam during its heyday! Muslims conquered the Middle East, North Africa, and half of Spain - in what part of Europe did that originate?
It also sounds like, reducing "world" to "territory," you're describing tribal behavior since the first bi-pedal ape picked up the first stick and headed toward another ape antagonistically. How can you confine that kind of behavior to Europe - without getting racial, that is?
RE: "A better question would be what are European cultural values."
I'd love to hear your views on that --

Permalink Reply by Patricia M. Dillavou on June 12, 2012 at 11:27pm

I've never heard anyone say they were voting for Obama because he was black.  Possible though.

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Permalink Reply by Henry Ruddle on June 11, 2012 at 11:32am

There are many real things to criticize about President Obama's first term, but I'd urge everyone to remember two important facts:

1) Politics is zero sum, so if Obama loses, Romney wins.

If just 300 of the 75,000 Florida voters who lodged their protest in 2000 by voting for Ralph Nader had instead voted for Al Gore, there would not have been a war with Iraq or massive tax cuts to balloon the deficit.

2) While the  candidate matters, don't forget that you are electing a party. 

The voters who protested Democrats in 2010 by electing Republicans probably did not realize that the Religious Right was going to use the opportunity to unleash their hatred against gays, immigrants and women, but they should have. 

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 11, 2012 at 12:24pm

@ Henry - do you suppose they have now? And will it make a difference in how they vote next time?

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