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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 13, 2012 at 9:44am

unseen, i think you've reached your limit...wth are you talking about? The period I'm talking about was during the formation of the culture..

There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth's past (the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, Karoo Ice Age and the Quaternary glaciation). Outside these ages, the Earth seems to have been ice-free even in high latitudes.^[30][3

The last glacial period was the most recent glacial period within the current ice age occurring during the last years of the Pleistocene, from approximately 110,000 to 10,000 years ago.^[1]

During this period there were several changes between glacier advance and retreat. The maximum extent of glaciation was approximately 18,000 years ago. While the general pattern of global cooling and glacier advance was similar, local differences in the development of glacier advance and retreat make it difficult to compare the details from continent to continent (see picture of ice core data below for differences).

I want you to understand this and understand it fully...I''ll put it in caps..

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOOD OR BAD, THOSE TERMS ARE RELATIVE. IT HAS TO DO WITH UNDERSTANDING SO WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS A SPECIES AND STOP BEING SO FUCKING ARROGANT!

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on June 13, 2012 at 11:32am

This appears to be the constantly moving goal posts archaeopteryx mentioned. So, now European culture is based on ice ages. Okay, then let's look at peoples who live in arctic climes. Do they have a European-like culture based on mastery of nature? No more than anywhere else. No matter where you live, mastering nature is key to survival.

When ice ages happened, people for the most part cleared out (or died out) and the rest of the humans lived in mostly temperate zones.

With you, it's hard not to be arrogant.

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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 13, 2012 at 4:36pm

you make me wonder why people think Europeans are the master "race"..lol

I'm otta here..no more games...dude..

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on June 13, 2012 at 6:11pm

Oh, good. Now I can mention all the things wrong with African thinking without fear of contradiction.

Talk about the widespread abuse of women in Africa, where in many areas women are simply expected to submit to men who want sex; where lesbians are subjected to "corrective rape" on the theory that they simply haven't had good sex with a man yet; where men refuse to use condoms even in areas where HIV is rampant; where witchcraft, spells, exorcisms, and other superstitions are still common.

Yes, they have a lot of respect for nature. Perhaps we should pattern ourselves after them.

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 13, 2012 at 2:03pm

RE: "the African cultural mind had no problem with Nature"

Tell that to the mountain gorillas of the Virungas --

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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 13, 2012 at 4:41pm

Wth???? Africans became poochers when the demand from Europe created the market..just like the elephant, just like the rhino, lion, chimps and antelope..

You know the people who don't have any respect for Nature..just like enslavement create a market and have the stupid ass natives kill each other over the crumbs...

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 13, 2012 at 7:10pm

I KNEW it - I told myself as I typed it, that that's the response you would give!

So it's the drug user's fault that the dealer sells drugs! Let's open the cell doors and let all of those poor victims out! Sorry guys, no hard feelings? Would collecting $200 help?

Wait a minute - "enslavement create a market" - isn't that what drug dealers do? "The first one's free --"

It was Africans who captured and sold other Africans into slavery - wonder if they could have prevented the American Civil War, if they had only adopted the, "Just Say No" policy? Surprisingly, "the African cultural mind" that "had no problem with Nature" didn't seem to extend its love of nature to it's fellow man.

But that's probably just my "European Cultural Values" talking --

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Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 14, 2012 at 7:55am

Blaine don't be silly.  Pls come up with a better analogy.  I think dealing with white supremacy, no matter what century, is a throwback..and using antiquated academic European thought is counter evolutionary.  Whether you wish to believe it or not, racism (white supremacy) is very much alive and well and given that, if you had the ability to go beyond your educational and social limitations, you'd see what I'm really saying..

But that would make your mind not feel like exploding but really doing it..

Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 14, 2012 at 7:51am

lol and I was surprised that you couldn't take it deeper..if the poppy growers didn't produce for profit, then the drug problem would be confined to "legal" drugs...

And yes creating a market will make people do aberrant things. In fact even before the European, the African learned about international slaving from the Arabs and since "slave" is of European origin, I'd suppose they practiced it too..

Arch, I understand that you can't help being "clever."...

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on June 14, 2012 at 8:46am

Slavery existed in Africa long before the Arabs or Europeans. It went back thousands of years before European civilization. One of the most obvious of many examples would be Egypt. While it's no longer believed that the pyramids were built using slave labor, household and agricultural slaves (mostly women) were common.

That would seem to make ancient Egyptians more culpable than their later European/American counterparts as originators of slavery. From there, perhaps the idea spread to the Arab world and Europe, with the Arabs originating the idea of an international slave trade.

If a market makes people do aberrant things, then it would seem to follow that the slavers on both sides of the ocean were just reacting to irresistible economic forces calling for slavery.

Or are you arguing that African slavers were even more subject to a European/American slave system than the European/American slavers were? That would seem to support a racist view that white people were just smarter.

I don't buy that view, but strangely you seem to. My view is that European/American business people were aware of widespread slavery, had to compete against it, and so opted in.

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 14, 2012 at 9:19am

RE: "I understand that you can't help being 'clever.'"

Clearly you can. You DO seem to excel at patronization and condescension however.

What I'm beginning to get from these little chats of ours, is "Black, good - White, bad," and however you have to twist a story to give it that concept as a moral, you'll do it.

Permalink Reply by Shabaka Tecumseh on June 14, 2012 at 2:18pm

Unseen, I think you believe that Chattel enslavement was similar to an enslavement that could allow for the enslaved to become a dignitary within the group...I don't think African enslavement removed the humanity of their enslaved.  I think you need a history lesson in that regard.

Why didn't the European/American business people work for a living or pay white workers? 

I don't buy that the European was smarter, in fact that's the point of this whole thing, they were culturally DIFFERENT..

 

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I already told you about the white bad..black good thing, it's just that you don't wish to believe me..

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