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Permalink Reply by Marshall on December 2, 2010 at 11:03pm

Absolutely barbaric. I don't have a problem with hunting for the purpose of subsistence , but killing just because you (not specifically you) enjoy killing stuff is the essence of psychopathy.

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Permalink Reply by James Lee Wilson on August 31, 2012 at 10:17am

I know I'm extremely late on here, but I wanted to put my 2 cents worth. People always reference to us being more evolved than that, but this doesn't even make sense. Evolution is purely used to make one stronger and survive. This always means death. I think it's become apparent that it's been too long since the human race has needed to fight for survival. We are the most evolved because of our weapons! Otherwise, we may have been killed off by another creature. Some people bring up the fact that animals work together, but this is only for their ultimate survival, so it's more of a selfish motive. I actually think it's because natural selection doesn't really occur to us anymore, that there are loving and kind people. Animals do not feel remorse when they kill, and who's to say they kill because they must? Are we not animals ourselves? If another animal evolved to be the superior, would they not do the same as us? We are the winners. We are the best... And that's only because of our might through our intelligence, but it's still might none the less. 

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Permalink Reply by Willson Stoner on August 31, 2012 at 9:05pm

Here in Michigan thousands of deer are hit by cars every year. I have hit a deer right in the Lansing area. It did minor damage to my car and ran off. I was lucky. Many people are seriously injured or killed in deer collisions. I would much rather see hunters take the deer than cars. I personally do not think I would get much joy out of blasting Bambi, but I pay people to kill cows for me so who am I to point fingers. I'm glad there are folks who don't mind keeping the deer population down.

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Permalink Reply by James Cox on August 31, 2012 at 9:21pm

I don't see how killing another creature can be considered 'recreational'. To me, it seems to be mostly an ugly act. I can understand if you need food, but doing it 'just for the pleasure of it', I just don't see it!

I understand that young psyco-paths start with small animals, before they 'graduate' to large prey. In my experience, people that brag about killing things, get off on telling others about their cruelity, and often use threat as an attempt to obtain power over others.

Maybe killing animals is a rite of passage for young males in our culture. My father suggested that smoking, drinking, and killing things was the 'manly' thing to do. But when he killed animals for no other reason than to prove his 'power over' other creatures, killing a rattle snake as an example, I realized that there was a little more involved than necessity.

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Permalink Reply by James Lee Wilson on September 1, 2012 at 1:19am

Here's the problem: You can say all day long how you feel or think or believe, it doesn't change the fact that you don't even remotely have any argument that objectively proves it's immorality. And, do you want to know the difference between hunters and "anti-hunters" I guess you can say? Hunters don't try to force those against it to hunt. Instead, they just hunt themselves, but people like you try to tell others what to do, when you argument has absolutely no foundation to stand on. Simply put, who cares how you "feel"? That gives you no added rights to tell hunters not to hunt, just as it doesn't give hunters the right to force you to hunt. 

Many people try to them revert to belittling others by saying they're less evolved, but natural selection would never allow for someone so sympathetic to prosper. If it weren't for firearms and the use weapons in the past, you wouldn't be here. Evolution makes people strong, not sympathetic towards everything.

I'm not a sociopath or psychopath, but the killing of animals surely doesn't make one as such. Simply put, most people that I know who hunt, are very kind and caring people. I've read a few books on sociopaths, and it's purely BS in my opinion, as I know many people who would be considered a sociopath but aren't. It's natural to care for your own species over others. It's those who don't feel this way that are the true psychotics. 

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 1, 2012 at 1:36am

RE: "If it weren't for firearms and the use weapons in the past, you wouldn't be here" - I really hadn't intended to make more than the one comment on this thread, but this statement made me change my mind. If the firearms, and all of the weapons that originated with the Chinese invention of gunpowder, which, by extension, includes all of the forms of bombs that Mankind has developed, disappeared and left us with only rocks, I suspect that far more of us would be here, than are.

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on September 4, 2012 at 10:57pm

More likely that a lot of different people would be here rather than us.

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Permalink Reply by James Lee Wilson on September 1, 2012 at 2:06am

The point im making is that without the use of weapons, none of us would be here because we would probably be extinct. Its called natural selection. Without force, we would have lost.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 1, 2012 at 2:30am

So the concepts of negotiation and compromise totally escape you --?

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Permalink Reply by James Lee Wilson on September 1, 2012 at 8:10am

Tell me why in the hell we should negotiate? All you want is to take my rights away, while keeping all of yours intact. Any "compromise" only affects hunters, but not you, hence why you're so adamant about one. Okay, lets do this, I'll shoot less deer, but you have to shoot at least one deer a year. Oh, hold on now, when it affects you, it's a little different, but let's compromise.. Simply put, hunters aren't trying to force you to hunt, so how about you quit trying to force hunters to stop? That's my problem with it. If you simply didn't like to hunt or didn't agree with it, but kept to yourself, I'd be fine, but you don't. You sir, are worse than a Christian.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 1, 2012 at 11:20am

RE: "All you want is to take my rights away" - apparently not all of them, you've still retained the right to be obtuse.

RE: "without the use of weapons, none of us would be here because we would probably be extinct. Its called natural selection. Without force, we would have lost."

When I asked what about negotiation and compromise, I wasn't talking about compromising and negotiating between hunters and non-hunters, I referred to the enemies we've had in the past, upon whom we have used our guns, and with whom, negotiation and compromise might have been preferable to killing.

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Permalink Reply by James Lee Wilson on September 1, 2012 at 1:17pm

I didn't get that because you clearly didn't understand what I meant when I said that. I wasn't referencing to humans killing humans but back when we had to defend ourselves from animals. Would you suggest we negotiate with them?

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