I am not going to reveal the source of these words. I only want people's opinion of their content.

Do you agree or disagree, why or why not?

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Every human is allowed to make decisions for themselves. We're all born with that. Some surrender that to others,,, which is a decision in itself. Others decide not to. We each have to own up to the fact that we, and the situations we find ourselves in,,, are a product of our own decisions. We're all dealt certain cards, but how we play our hand is completely on us. Countless people have been dealt incredibly tough hands. Far far tougher than yours and mine, and they've risen far beyond you and I. That's our fault individually, and ONLY we as individuals can correct the bad decisions that placed us where we presently are. It's a harsh truth,,, but it's an absolute truth. You need to be self reliant. Being reliant on others or on programs, etc, is tantamount to slavery.

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Every human is allowed to make decisions for themselves. We're all born with that.

No. Every human should be born with the right to be free to make their own decisions when they come of age. Tell that to the 800 million people around the world living in extreme poverty.

Some surrender that to others,,, which is a decision in itself….

Do mothers with babies make a decision to leave the remains of their war torn towns and villages where the only thing they know for sure is rape and murder? It is a choice but it is Hobson’s choice. Do you have a choice when your neighbors are running faster than you?

As Warsan Shire wrote;

you have to understand,

 that no one puts their children in a boat

 unless the water is safer than the land….

We each have to own up to the fact that we, and the situations we find ourselves in,,, are a product of our own decisions…..

That is a very immature statement. It reminds me of something a Christian would say who has lived within the confines of their woolly cotton brain for too long. It is victim blaming. People are the product of their experiences but those experiences can be the result of other people’s decisions.

We're all dealt certain cards, but how we play our hand is completely on us.

Again, a very immature statement. It is Woo psychology. If everyone was dealt the same cards and given the same opportunities in life to empower them to play their hand then the statement would have some merit.

Countless people have been dealt incredibly tough hands…

Almost a reversal of what was already said.

Far far tougher than yours and mine, and they've risen far beyond you and I.

My “Woo Woo alarm” has just sounded.

That's our fault individually, and ONLY we as individuals can correct the bad decisions that placed us where we presently are.

The alarm is getting louder. You may be about to lose some money to a conman.

It's a harsh truth,,, but it's an absolute truth.

A dealer in absolute truths. Someone who does not know that they don’t know enough.

You need to be self-reliant…

You need to be empowered to make your own choices. It is ok to lean on others when we need to. It does not make us dependent.

Being reliant on others or on programs, etc, is tantamount to slavery.

You can rely on me to tell you that is the truth (he or she said)

Is a young child that relies on its mother really a slave? Is the innocent victim of a car wreck not obliged to rely on others through no choice of their own?

Being coerced and abused into submission and told you are worthless is being forced to depend on someone or some program. That is tantamount to slavery.

Thus spoke Zarathustra.

Damn, why didn't I think of that? I'm so jealous, hahahaha!!!!

that no one puts their children in a boat

 unless the water is safer than the land….

Or jumps out of a burning building 100 floors off the ground unless 10 seconds of life with wind in their hair is preferable to dying in flames.

This purple passage does not deal in empirical truths but is, I suppose, meant to be an inspirational, self-help type of speech. There's nothing wrong with that inherently as long as the recipients understand the intention behind it. This is not a piece of text to be written into a research paper but one to be ostentatiously delivered with plenty of theatrical hand gestures and meaningful stares.

Try to imagine William Wallace shouting it as he rides up and down his line of blue-painted warriors on the battlefield and you get the idea.

+1

The primary message is that others with a worse hand than you have done better than you.

The primary objection to that, is it implies that making good decisions alone is responsible.

If you are born to a starving mom with zika and AIDS living in a card board box, and born with teeny head with no room for the entire brain, with AIDS, and, no milk from the starving mom, you are screwed...and there's no "decision" you are going to be able to make that will unscrew you.

The scenario it could apply to might include those with reasonable choices, say, people with the resources to make some decisions AVAILABLE.

Example - In tough neighborhoods, with gangs, if NOT in a gang, you might be killed, and, if seen carrying books home to do homework, you might be killed/beat up, etc.

So, choice #1 is to join a gang, not do homework, and end up a gang banger or dealer or pimp....which = early death and/or retirement with wealth.

Choice #2 is to not join a gang, do homework, and end up dead even earlier, or, qualify for collage, but potentially not be able to afford to attend...or, find a way to be able to complete college, but then have to get someone to hire them, and so forth, but, with the eventual promise of a good job, or owning a business and retiring with wealth.

For those of us with education, looking at a ghetto youth, we always say "GO TO SCHOOL!", but, as children are famously poor at consequences and so forth, most look at the IMMEDIATE DANGER as more meaningful than the potential future rewards.

For many, this is the correct decision, because choosing to forgo a gang can = death.   Its a risk.

For every kid who TRIES to avoid the gangs and go to college, there are thousands who got cut down by life.  The DECISION alone is not the problem, its the realistic options, and, the ODDS of those options playing out, for THEM.

I KNOW kids who DECIDED to go to school/stay in school, but, could not, because they just didn't have the resources.  Yes, there are need based scholarships etc, but, unless you can supplement the scholarship, most kids simply can't afford to go.

When I started my Freshman year, I was unable to get a need based scholarship even though I was making almost nothing, and, supporting myself...because my PARENT'S income was too high to qualify.

Even though I showed they they did not support me, and I didn't live with them, I was ruled ineligible.

So, I scored really high on the SAT, EP's, had a genius IQ, was involved with civic activities, etc, and got merit based scholarships, but, had to work 40 hours/week at night, to afford to go to school full time during the day...which was hard, as I started college at 17, and wasn't even eligible for many types of work.

I was blinded in a school related accident, and, had to drop out.  (My optic nerves recovered eventually, so I can see again)

I was bottle washing at a laboratory, and finished what I was doing, and went and learned all the other jobs.  In 3 months, they made me a lab manager, and I swapped to working full time in the day, and going to school at night....I was still only 17 at that point.

All of these things flowed from decisions, but, I HAD OPTIONS. 

Some DON'T have GOOD options, they are just born w/o the resources that provide decent options.

Little Trump can decide how to invest/spend his million or so inheritance.  Lots of options there.

Little (He was never given a name...) Zeka head, well, there are not many decisions TO make...as there are no real options.

So, yes, SOME people are born to poverty, and overcome it....just as some are born rich and lose it all.  It is unfair to hold up the teeny percentage of EXCEPTIONS who beat poverty, as "proof it can be done" if you make good decisions.

It SOUNDS great to simplify life down to decisions, and its the rich, or those who don't want to pay taxes that go to the poor, etc, who tend to view their life that way.

You feel better about having wealth if you see it as earned, and view those w/o as simply not having tried hard enough/having made bad decisions. 

So, its rich/stingy people who tend to make quotes such as the one posted.

:D

I think there's a lot of truth in the statement, how we play our hand is completely on us.  But then, what makes one person give up while another forges ahead, under similar circumstances?  Surely it's natural for anyone to make the very most of what they've got.  There are failings such as cowardice, laziness or spite. 

"ONLY we as individuals can correct the bad decisions that placed us where we presently are.

- I think this is an optimistic view.  Sometimes it takes the help of another in order to get things moving. 

"You need to be self reliant. Being reliant on others or on programs, etc, is tantamount to slavery.

- We do need to be self reliant.  At the same time, as a species we're highly interdependent so there's no shame, in fact it's a good thing, to get the help of others sometimes. 

My initial reply to the above quote was this:

I think we make decisions with the information we have at the time. The more we learn about ourselves and the world, the better decisions we make. But it doesn't mean we somehow failed, it means we were misinformed, ignorant, or bias based on bad information.
The response to my response:

I prefer to take full responsibility onto myself. If I made them on bad information,,, my bad for not finding the right information. If I made a decision where there is no way I could have known the right information, then it's still my fault for not being able to know the right clues to tune me in. I'm not saying there is any way to always make the right decision. Far far from that. I'm sayin that I and the people who count on me will suffer or thrive on every decision I make,,, so I won't delay making a decision and I won't let others make decisions for me. Not even one. This chain of responsibility pushes me to learn more, understand more thoroughly, never have an excuse for any shortcoming, and the result is that I perform better and those who count on me suffer less (they still suffer,,, believe me). Every time we can point to something outside of our control as a reason for falling short, we diminish ourselves toward being incapable and incompetent. Every time we take the blame on ourselves and recognize that had we done one or two or many things smarter/better,,, we give ourselves an opportunity to improve and overcome
P.S This person has stated that I need a "mentor in decision making"....

That sounds manipulative to me.

How so?

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