Hamas warned Israel: “We Love Death More Than You Love Life.” Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah said “We are going to win, because they love life and we love death,” Two years before he killed thirteen people and wounded twenty-nine at Fort Hood, Texas, Nidal Malik Hasan prepared a slide show for his fellow Army doctors on the subject of Islam. One of his last points read: “We love death more than you love life!” The idea originated with a 7th-century Muslim commander who threatened his enemies with “an army of men that love death as you love life.” I assume that saying is the motto of Islam.

Hamas has built tunnels to infiltrate Israeli communities and perpetuate terrorist attacks. Child labor is used in this operation and according to an article published by the Institute for Palestine Studies, at least 160 children died during the construction of the tunnels. There have been more than 30 tunnels found, some of which lead directly to Israeli communities near the border with Gaza. These tunnels run right through residential neighborhoods.

Hamas uses civilian homes and structures to store weapons and rig explosives. Stockpiles of ammunition, grenades, automatic rifles, RPGs, explosives and other military equipment seized by IDF soldiers in Gaza were found in private Palestinian homes. This is part of the terrorist organization’s efforts to turn every building in Gaza into a weapon. Hamas treats the homes and civilian institutions of Gaza as military compounds.

Since July 8, 2014, Hamas has fired more than 2,450 rockets at Israel. They place their rocket and mortar launchers in populated areas, next to schools, hospitals and mosques then tells the people to stay in their houses when they expect a missile attack from Israel. Gaza's Interior Ministry, which in a statement on Hamas radio, dismissed Israel's warnings as “psychological warfare” and told those who left their homes to return and others to stay put. Israel dropped leaflets into the areas that will be fired upon that read: “Those who fail to comply with the instructions to leave immediately will endanger their lives and the lives of their families. Beware.”

They also fire dud missiles to warn residents of impending bombings, but Hamas tells its people to ignore these warnings.

All of these methods involving ordinary citizens of Gaza backs up the slogan “We Love Death More Than You Love Life.” It also is the reason that Hamas wants its innocent citizens to die. They do it so their people will be killed. It is good public relations for their cause to have a mounting death toll from the Israeli forces. Of course it is working as shown by so many protests all over the world. The only way these protests will stop is if Israel lays down its arms and gets defeated by the Palestinians.

Does anyone have an opinion on this?

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I heard a segment on NPR today in which the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. put forth the same arguments.  He said repeatedly that Israel regrets each civilian death and tries to avoid them.  He also claimed that if the U.S. was being fired upon by terrorists in a contiguous nation, we would certainly be fighting back.  I do not doubt that he is right about that.

I do not know enough about the Israel/Palestine conflict to be able to have a solid opinion about how Israel's response should be understood in the big picture.  It can't be taken out of the context of continuous conflict in the region.  Religion seems to play a huge part, about which I feel sad and disgusted. 

 I assume that saying is the motto of Islam.

If that is the case then I am assuming the motto of Jews are "Bomb  UN schools and kill innocent children"

Seems to be working well for Israeli as they have perfected the art of killing children and blaming it on Hama's fault. Good public relations for the Israelis as the right wingers have been gobbling it up to believe it as the truth.

Since July 8, 2014, Hamas has fired more than 2,450 rockets at Israel

I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that there a naval blockage in Gaza from Israel and population is starving and majority of its citizen can't even leave outside of Gaza, while they have no rights and constantly getting killed by Israelis.

Or things like such as

An Israeli human rights organization, Gisha, sued in Israeli courts to force the release of a planning document for "putting the Palestinians on a diet" without risking the bad press of mass starvation, and the courts concurred. The document, produced by the Israeli army, appears to be a calculation of how to make sure, despite the Israeli blockade, that Palestinians got an average of 2,279 calories a day, the basic need. But by planning on limiting the calories in that way, the Israeli military was actually plotting to keep Palestinians in Gaza (half of them children) permanently on the brink of malnutrition, what health professionals call "food insecurity." And, it was foreseeable that sometimes they would slip into malnutrition, since not as many trucks were always let in every day as the Israeli army recommended (106 were recommended, but it was often less in the period 2007-2010).

The food blockade had real effects. About ten percent of Palestinian children in Gaza under 5 have had their growth stunted by malnutrition.

A recent report by Save the Children and Medical Aid for Palestinians found that, in addition, anemia is widespread, affecting over two-thirds of infants, 58.6 percent of schoolchildren, and over a third of pregnant mothers.


Oh noo its all Hama's fault. The Zionist Jews are all innocent.

With that garbage logic of yours Stephen, I am assuming you are completely fine with me coming over and taking over your house,  and not letting you leave the house, while I eat all your food. Then when you try to kick me out, I shoot you in the face. You would completely agree that I was justified in shooting you in the face because you provoked me by trying to kick me out?

Right Stephen?  After all its your logic....

It seems like you've chosen sides.

You know, I have found that the attitude of many people is "Keep your mind open until you agree with me. Until then, you're a closed-minded person."

I'm very wary of people who think there's something wrong with reaching a conclusion.

You wouldn't sum up the US civil war to "Racist slave drivers vs. Yankee Saviours". That would be a grotesquely childish explanation of a complex event.

You wouldn't reduce Apartheid to "White supremacists vs. helpless Hulu warriors". There was a little more to it.

You wouldn't sum up the Vietnam war to "Commie villains vs. Freedom loving Americans". That leaves out about a million pieces of the puzzle like an unstable regional political theatre, economic interests, multi party interest, both sides being funded and armed by other countries, language, religion, many factions on both sides with varying degrees of extreemism and radicalism, war spilling over into other countries, guerilla tactics, PR control, the draft, napalm, the spread of strong political ideologies, a cold war, pride, the cost of lives, refugees, political leaders and presidents and their reelection campaigns, very complex historical issues on both sides of the ocean, a new sense of human rights, anti-war sentiment, good and bad factions on both sides, good and bad leaders and characters in all factions, propeganda etc.

So why the hell would we reduce the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to nothing more than an evil mantra (We love death) that only one evil faction (Hamas) of one evil side (Palestinians) keeps repeating (and doing). And then top it off with a single solution (Israel lets Palestine defeat them).

So silly.

Who are you talking about? You seem to be talking about me but your post is a non-sequitur. I have reached a conclusion, but while it favors one side over the other, it is not black and white. Yes, I think on the whole the Israelis are doing what any country would do. Do they often go overboard? Yes. But they wouldn't be going overboard if Hamas has minded its own business, worked on improving he lives of its people, and removed the destruction of Israel from its constitution.

Thanks Stephen, that was a very interesting perspective.

From the OP:

"Does anyone have an opinion on this?"

Isn't that a rhetorical question?

Peace would be nice...I won't hold my breath.

One can also ruminate on the charter of Hamas, which has thoroughly cringe worthy statements such as:

"The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realization of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The day of judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jews will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say ‘O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”

 Or the clearly Nazi inspired statements such as the one below which is in their Covenant:

"With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. With their money, they took control of the world media. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there."

In general, I find it hard to disagree with Sam Harris when he states:

"What do groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda and even Hamas want? They want to impose their religious views on the rest of humanity. They want stifle every freedom that decent, educated, secular people care about."

And yet, some among us want us to keep an open mind about Hamas, as though somehow the Israelis are on a par with them or even somehow worse. Those Israeli soldiers would be at home going about their normal daily business had Israel not been provoked by Hamas. Israel didn't want this war, Hamas did, and to blame Israel for the casualties of a totally unnecessary war is just laughable and pathetic.

You wanna hear something even more laughable?

A country that call its itself a "democracy" going around arresting 400 people with no due process of law on basis that 3 individuals were kidnapped. 


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