Ron Jeremy says violent video games 'worse' than porn


Violent video games have "a much bigger negative influence on kids" than pornography, a leading porn star has claimed.

He said parents should be more worried about the harmful effects of such games.

Mr Jeremy's comments were made at a session called the Great Porn Debate during the Consumer Electronics Show, CES, in Las Vegas.

His comments angered gamers, who accused him of "ignorance".

Mr Jeremy's appearance at CES in Las Vegas caused some raised eyebrows.

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Judging by the fact that American has the largest number of serial killers in the world, about 145, and comparing that to the leading competitor of the U.K. with 45, there must be something within our society that triggers the psychopathic to perform violent acts. It could be the porn or it could be something else. I think it's important to find the trigger for those on the extreme ends of the spectrum to hopefully prevent the atrocities from continuing.

Lets say that porn is the trigger though, what does a nation that prides itself on free speech do about it?
Well, the U.K. has a population of just over 61 million people. The U.S. has a population of over 307 million. So, the U.S. having 5 times the population of the UK, all things being equal, the number of serial killers in the U.K. would be 225. Or maybe not. But you get the idea. There is a lower rate of serial killers per million people in the U.S. than there is in the U.K., using your numbers.

I'd be more interested in numbers from societies that are dissimilar. Like Latin America or China. Of course, then you get into the fun game of trying to determine the reliability of reporting. Also, you'd have to compensate for other factors, too. Like a strong police state, poverty levels, etc.

But, to take your hypothetical, my answer would be.....I don't know. Balancing free speech with social responsibility has always been an issue. Personally, I don't mind pornography one bit, but I admit to not really being aware of the science on pornography's effects on a population. I don't see it as being any more harmful than many other things that people get obsessed with. For example, I think we have a larger problem with Casinos and gambling than we do with porn. Gambling addictions have led to many murders and suicides committed by otherwise normal people.
Alright you are correct so lets change countries, there have been 5 serial killers in China according to Wiki. What is it about China that allows for a population of billions to have so few serial killer? Could it be the law enforcement just doesn't categorize them the same, is it a societal difference such as it being incredibly industrialized, or does the primary religion in China have an effect on it? Obviously there are countless variables and really no one knows where to start.

To comment on what Neal said, I would argue that the kinds -of pornography that these people watch and look at are already somewhat taboo. You will find that there is a fine line between men being ok with traditional porn and such things as brutalization, bondage, domination, ect. This might be the problem, the fact that they can't express their fantasies very publicly. Or it could be that these men form their fantasies after the fact, in that there is already something wrong with them but the realization of what they want is achieved until they have already been experience to it.

On top of that there is also the possibility that most of them escalate from normal porn to their fantasies just like they escalate in the crimes they commit. They get bored with what they see every and do every day so they find something to spice it up.
I don't trust China's numbers. The government has a propensity for unreliable reporting of certain things.

Let's use Japan, because they are, according to Wikipedia, currently the largest pornographic producer in the world, producing more pornography even than the United States. Of course, there is no citation for this. But Japan is well known for their porn, especially their odd fetish porn.

127 million people live in Japan today. I don't know where you are getting your serial killer numbers, but I just looked up this Wiki page on serial killers. They have 12 notable serial killer listed. That seems really low compared to the U.K. or the U.S., yet porn is a thriving industry in Japan.

Further reading on the Wiki page states that religious and social tabbos against nudity are weaker than in the U.S. and that religion doesn't play a role in the regulation or pornography. It goes on to further state:

"Japanese pornographic culture is more widely accepted as part of mainstream media in comparison to the west. Thus in many cases, scenes acceptable to Japanese audiences are unacceptable in other countries. Ribaldry is quite common even in child-oriented materials and expressions that in most other cultures would not be acceptable for general audiences are shown without a warning. For example, in an early chapter of Dragon Ball, to find an invisible opponent, Muten-Rôshi is shown Bulma's bared breast, eliciting a fountaining nose bleed that drenches the invisible man."

And for the record, I didn't choose Japan because I knew what I would get. I was looking up the stats as I typed. So maybe I just got lucky and another country with trustworthy reporting of serial killers would show something else entirely. But I liked Japan because they are steeped in porn.

So, unless there are societal pressures in Japan that negate the effects of porn on potential serial killers, then I am still not seeing a correlation.

Good discussion, by the way, Matt.
Japan kind touches on the point I made about Neal's comment. It's no secret that Japan has an incredibly weird porn industry, perhaps that's what keeps the ill content. It's hard to try and go out and escalate your own person fantasies if someone is already producing material that far out does your own imagination.

It's interesting, the farther east we went, the less serial killers we saw. Such cultures such as Japan's are widely open about porn, and then we have the middle east that isn't open at all. It seems that the largest number of serial killers are the ones right in the middle where there is some limit to what society will accept and therefore a small group feels restricted and trapped with their mind, confused why what they feel is wrong compared to what others do.
and no one has more video games than Japan.
Good point!
It's breakfast, not porn.
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Tried violence. Tried Porn. Porn's better.
Ok. Let's do a social experiment.
Everyone... go look at porn and then go play a violent video game. Tell me your physical and mental state of mind after each.
Ready?
Go.

Here are my results.

Porn = horny.
Violent video games = amused.

Huh.
Yup.
Neither scenario gave me prostitute killing urges.
Go figure.
no one is more obsessed with sex than the religious right. Its all they talk about....in a negative way of course.

People watching porn eventually get bored with it... People who watch it and are made to feel guilty and self loathing so much that they act out in horrible ways?

Where does the guilt come from? From Porn or the sick twisted sex obsessed mindset that teaches you are horrible miserable filthy sinners for having natural urges? They teach to supress, repress, ignore desire.....it screws people up. Look at their priests!!!

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