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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on June 15, 2011 at 2:19pm

shhhhhh.......

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Permalink Reply by oneinfinity on June 15, 2011 at 8:12pm

thx for that. beautiful!

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Permalink Reply by Daniel on June 15, 2011 at 6:03pm

Man, I would cause such a fucking stink about this. Literally to the point they would excuse me from it, or change the song and make everyone do it. Do it for the principal of it, and Fur your health

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Permalink Reply by Kirsten on June 15, 2011 at 8:35pm

This is one of those examples where I'd sure as heck get my atheistic friends and go to the teacher, and maybe his boss. This compromises the quality of the education your college is giving and anyone hiring from this college is getting shorted. A degree ought to be a testament to your knowledge, not an indication of how long you were at a school.

Would this excuse fly for a biology major trying to skip tests on evolution or fossilization? If not, why does it fly in this class? If yes, let us know so we can avoid it and pass the info on to others looking for good schools!

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Permalink Reply by erik112358 on June 16, 2011 at 2:49pm

While I agree that the precedent is set, I do not think it should be taken advantage of.  The predicament here is that a HUGE amount of music is related to god - especially choral music since it was created for (guess where) CHURCH.  It is simply not possible to teach music without running into it.  Bach, the very foundation of classical music, was about as big of a Lutheran as you can get.  It would truly be a shame to teach a music class without his choral works.  And that's only one example.

 

So my advice would be to suck it up, do the exam, and be a better musician for it.  Being that this is a college environment, I sincerely doubt this is the first time this other kid has run into a piece of music that doesn't fall inline with his personal beliefs.  He must be trying to work the system for some other reason, and it'll come back to bite him eventually.

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Permalink Reply by erik112358 on June 16, 2011 at 2:58pm

Oh, and if you want to take some kind of action against it, I'd tell your professor something along the lines of the above, and finish with, "It's an extremely slippery slope, and if you slip to the bottom, your music program will be weaker for it.  And I am an atheist, so I am NOT advocating this simply to propagate Catholicism."

At least that's how I'd approach it.

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Permalink Reply by kris feenstra on June 16, 2011 at 4:37pm

It is unfair, but in my mind the remedy is to revoke the exemption.  That's probably unlikely and I'm not sure you could protest it without stepping on the music director's toes.  The arts express just about every aspect of human nature, belief and philosophy from the most ennobled to the most reviled.  There is a degree of separation from what a performer expresses and what they espouse as their own personal philosophy.   I don't think there's anything wrong with the music director telling a student that it's their right not to perform, but the end result will be to flunk the exam.  Like you said, you suck it up because it's about the music and the art.  

 

Hell, you suck it up because it's your job.  Some musicians can pick and choose work at whim, but most that I know cannot afford to refuse work for such a meagre reason.  I don't think this exemption helps this student; it just coddles him.

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Permalink Reply by Seth Jon Nonnemaker on June 16, 2011 at 5:40pm

Thats religion for ya. Complete and utter bullshit, at least your getting better by sucking it up and participating unlike that evangelical pussy.

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Permalink Reply by Jennifer Stanley on June 19, 2011 at 10:50am

I'm going to go along with the sentiment of those who say it should at least be brought to the attention of the director. In arts (singing, acting, drawing, etc.), sometimes we have to put our personal beliefs aside and do what is asked of us. If this person is going to get an exemption, then anyone who doesn't believe in what the song is depicting should be exempt as well.

 

Athiests are far more tolerant than any religious person I've ever met. Ask the director if every single religious person would be exempt if the song was about god -not- existing, or the big bang, or even evolution for a few examples.

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Permalink Reply by M on June 19, 2011 at 9:45pm

I'd have to say something regarding the fact that all those who are "uncomfortable promoting Catholic views" should be exempt, or a new piece for the final ought to be chosen.

 

I also feel sorry for your classmate.  She's going to miss out on a lot of fantastic art in all of its forms.  I'd certainly not miss out on a chance to see the Sistine Chapel just because it is a chapel.  Seriously.

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Permalink Reply by Philip Jarrett on June 19, 2011 at 10:29pm

When my oldest son was in high school  there was a class where the instructor taught the Bible under the guise of literature.  He refused to participate and took a F instead.

I'm so proud of my boy.

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Permalink Reply by Lindsey on June 19, 2011 at 11:30pm

If this same student were in a literature course, and refused to read a novel written by a catholic, or were in an art history class and refused to study any piece of art created before the protestant reformation, they would rightly be given a failing grade in class. Why should music be any exception? You can still appreciate the beauty of a piece of art even if you don't believe in what it represents. If I had to sing songs from Handel's "Messiah" and Haydn's "Creation", this jack ass, who actually believes in the god the song is praising, can suck it up and sing a freaking catholic mass or accept a failing grade for not doing the required work.

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