Depends on circumstances and laws. In some cases it could be considered kidnapping.
This is true. Tread carefully here. There are or were underground networks that help hide spouses and children in abusive situations. I don't know how you would find them or if this is a good idea...they would again be at the mercy of a new group of people.
Also, many of these people are christian.
This is just an fyi. It's not my advice. This would be illegal if the father still has parental rights. Don't break the law...that is my advice. :-)
"Don't break the law...that is my advice."
IIRC if a Law puts your life in jeopardy then the Law does not hold sway and it is legal to break it.
You're talking about the legal defense called "necessity." It's the same one that lets you off the hook for breaking the speed limit to get someone to the ER in an emergency.
The thing is, the defense can only be exercised in court. You'll be arrested first and probably have your kids taken and put in foster care OR in the care of the dad before you can exercise the defense. Then, hopefully the court agrees.
Her section 8 case manager or worker might know of support resources. Even if that doesn't help, contacting them yourself might help you gain trust with her.
I should have mentioned (even if you probably know) that a case manager has to maintain confidentiality for the client, but they should still be interested in hearing from other sources like you who know the client, especially under such threatening circumstances.
Belle, have you thought about asking over in the ex-muslim support group here on TA? There's a chance some of them may have some helpful input.
@Belle - look there it is >> " a family member of her ex-husband went in front of the judge and basically said "the kids belong to me now." /em>
This is where it becomes intergenerational and toxic and the pattern will continue with her children now. Her children and their first cousins have now become estranged via covert and unspoken means and they will never get the chance to get to know each other properly without also knowing - the families dirty shame secret. ... Some of her childrens first cousins will then continue to use her children as scapegoats because they will side with the others - on and on and on. Can you see the cycle?
Your friend has to try to stop that cycle (power to her) with her children so that the abusive behaviour starts to dilute within the generations.. Which will probably take another 1000 years.
See how complex it is?