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Permalink Reply by Ray R. on April 17, 2013 at 11:10pm

Ascribing veracity to assertions without the benefit of evidence IS harmful , Angela . It harms the process of reasoned , logical thought . It harms our ability to educate the gullible regarding standards of evidence and falsification . It casts aside the hard work and sacrifice of real scientists doing ACTUAL science , by elevating these scientifically illiterate UFOlogist clowns to their level .

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on April 18, 2013 at 11:14am

Clouds aren't quantum particles. They don't POP into existence POP out of existence. How long did they stay looking like that? I must say that the lack of hard edges makes them seem more like clouds than solid objects. 

I have seen some mighty strange cloud phenomena, but have never even thought they might be extraterrestrial spacecraft.

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on April 18, 2013 at 2:37pm

 

"I must say that the lack of hard edges makes them seem more like clouds than solid objects."

Oh I must say who really cares - its fantasy - your not clever just because you observe :the lack of hard edges blah blahdy blah - not solid objects - waffle waffle arent I intelligent yak yak" : )

Honestly this is something that skeptics ought to relax about - its really not worth shitting yourselves over ...

 .Yours Truly

 

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Permalink Reply by Ray R. on April 18, 2013 at 2:54pm

I have absolutely no problem with anyone indulging in fantasy , as long as the fantasy is acknowledged as such . I DO , however , have a big problem when folks like ET write about fantasy and present it as truth , then give anecdotal , BS , non evidence as proof of their deluded assertions . That mocks the truth , as well as those who struggle every day to seek it out .

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Permalink Reply by James Cox on April 18, 2013 at 3:29pm

'truth' should be mocked, but 'TRUTH', not so much. Sadly I can't always tell the difference. 

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Permalink Reply by Dale Headley on April 17, 2013 at 8:06pm

Everyone, including yours truly, has encountered unidentified phenomena, and they ALL have one thing in common: either they eventually become explained, or they don't.  But ABSOLUTELY NONE of the tens of thousands of reports over the years has turned up an iota of supporting empirical evidence of anything of an extraterrestrial, supernatural, or paranormal origin.

I can confidently assure you: NOBODY has ever seen any kind of visitation from any sentient or technological entity from outer space.  They are ALL hoaxes, delusions, hallucinations, dreams, optical illusions, or fantasies.  If you want to convince me that I am wrong, show me!  It's the same thing I tell J.W.s.and Mormons about the god they're so certain exists.

If anyone here wants to debate me on this issue, I eagerly await your responses.  But PLEASE don't waste my time with anecdotal testimony from bubbas and grandmas in the hinterlands.  Likewise, don't expect me to be impressed with policemen, pilots, and aging astronauts.  They are just as vulnerable to delusions as anybody else.

As to "Resist..." I can't place any credibility in the examples he provides above, since I don't know who he or she is.  But his self-identification does provoke some "aluminum foil hat" speculations as to his motivations.   

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Permalink Reply by Ray R. on April 17, 2013 at 8:56pm

I especially enjoyed his description of an object floating in the sky at a standstill , then instantly accelerating to "supraluminal" speed . I guess " aliens " can suspend the laws of inertia , if not , they would be instantaneously crushed and killed by the rapid acceleration . He also ignores the fact that an object instantly accelerating toward light speed in our atmosphere , would move so rapidly the air molecules would be unable to get out of the way . The massive energy released by this incredible acceleration , would cause the air molecules in front and around the craft to fuse , not to mention the fusion and disintegration of the the craft itself , the energy being released in a ( depending on the mass of the craft ) , gigantic nuclear explosion causing immense devastation and destruction . His post demonstrates gullibility , combined with an illiteracy in science generally , and physics in particular .

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on April 17, 2013 at 9:56pm

The UFO crowd have no understanding of basic physics. Or, if they do, then they, like religious people, believe in miracles and magic, because to do something in such total violation of standard physics could only be either a miracle or some sort of magic. 

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on April 18, 2013 at 2:46pm

 

 "But his self-identification does provoke some "aluminum foil hat" speculations as to his motivations."

Im ready

 

 

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Permalink Reply by James Cox on April 18, 2013 at 3:33pm

'Tensile Strengh' in this context does become an interesting point...;p) 

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Permalink Reply by Ron Humphrey on April 18, 2013 at 10:18am

Why is it in this digital age when everyone has a phone which can record videos or photos is there not one clear unambiguous image of a UFO?  By the way, UFO does not equate to extra-terrestrial.  All UFO means is that there is something you can't identify.  

It is all poppycock and balderdash.

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Permalink Reply by James Cox on April 18, 2013 at 3:16pm

In a word 'Resolution', followed by words such as 'planning', and 'gitters'. I expect that a good clear picture, with no neurotic ticks, would be very helpful to tease the good observations from crap. Sadly, I have no idea what the % of crap might be, but given the nuttyness that seems present, I expect the actual signal is very close to zero.

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