Hello Fellow Heathens,
Long time no see. I haven't post anything in ages, but I'm back.
So, guys this is going to be a somewhat long post bear with me please. I REALLY want your inputs. From a theist friend I have gotten several complains that when he goes to atheist forums and he's curious about any question he gets insulted and banned from the forum and called a troll. I tried to explained to him that the problem is that we do get lots of trolls and it's a problem to differentiate who has a legitimate question, specially in this medium. He still defended his position saying that it was not fair, he honestly has legit. questions, and I can't deny that he does. In my opinion, this behavior gives us bad reputation, and I believe we are better than that. One thing I can fully grant is that sometimes we get carried away and we insult people needlessly. There are more eloquent, elegant, and productive manners to tell a person something along the lines "please go do some research first," than just calling him/her ignorant and some other unnecessary slang. Now this is where the long part of the post starts, because I got the chance to do just what I stated in Facebook. This whole post started because an acquaintance of mine said, "(my name goes here) does not buy into the whole god thing and not because she knows little, but, because regardless of who was pulling her strings, she found science suited her better… remember even science requires faith as what is still unseen, remains just a calculated theory while the search continues..." So, in response I went in length to explain that there's not such thing a faith based science, and I deconstructed the way the words faith, believe, etc. are used, and the semantics of it. Ok so far so good, nothing related to God just yet. But, this guy jumped into the conversation and geez here we go again.
First: One can see that there are several holes in his argument.Second: My first answer to his post. Bear in mind that I have been talking about faith based science for some time and I'm exhausted and this point. It's quite late. But, again, no insulting.
As you can see, I underlined two particular phrases out of his response. The first one: "faith-based," because in my view, and I'm sure in many of you, the moment a person says "faith-based" there's no longer a conversation. The second underline is about educating him. And, this is where I feel where the problem lies when it comes to differentiate 'trollers' and people with legitimate questions.
Lastly my answer,
So far I have not received an answer. I might get one. I might not. Going back to my first point, the legitimate questions, I think this guy really don't know and he is trying to defend his view with the information he has. I have no idea if he's a Christian, I just made an assumption. By the way, if by any chance the blog I spoke of goes through I hope I can get some fellows from TA to back me up. Furthermore, as an agnostic atheist I get frustrated too with repeating the same information over and over and over again. It's tedious, time consuming, and I understand and feel our overall mentality and view, which goes something like that, "the research, and information is already there, if you don't want to read and take the time to educate yourself why on earth I have to do it for you. I'm a person, just like you, and I have other things to do than just sit down in front of my PC for hours on end educating you regarding something that's already been debated over and over again." But, could you we do this in a more civil manner? I know we have had some somewhat similar discussions, but I look forward to your inputs. Feel free to constructively criticize my responses too. If you think I could have used some other arguments or words, please let us all know. I'm sure we can all benefit from brain-storming here together. Feel free to talk of your own experiences also.
@Steve - RE: "What did you think of the graphic? I posted the link like you asked for."
At first, I missed it, then went back and found it. Excellent analogy! That gradient must have taken a lot of work.
For any who may have missed it too, here's the link again - DEFinitely worth a look --
(PS - I figured it out - it's not typed, it's a JPEG - it was typed in Photoshop, then a gradient tool was applied. Clever!)
I always wonder why the anti-evolutionists get hung up on monkeys. If you take evolution seriously, our ancestors include fish and single-cell organisms as well.
They fear 'time' that is outside their common reconing, and since it does not 'look like us', it can't be like us. The theist vision is so tightly focused upon human time, that deep time is unreal. But honestly, deep time is all around us, and within us. Humans and the rest riding the web/wave of causation.
And, my personal favorite, slime mold.
My suggestion: Return to this guy all of his own comments, only wherever the word "God" appears, replace it with "Santa Claus." In other words, challenge him to come up with proof that there is no Santa. He either would be forced to admit that he can't prove Santa doesn't exist; or he will present his evidence - evidence that can apply with equal validity to the non-existence of any god.
You might even suggest that satelite images of the north pole area would be helpful, showing Santa Claus's house, boarding stable for raindeer, parking lot for elves, etc. LOL!
I've always wondered: If a Christian is supposed to have faith, why do they insist on debating the matter with people who don't take such matters on faith? The argument should be about faith, not the existence of God.
I've always wondered: If a Christian is supposed to have faith, why some churches sport lightning rods and all churches carry insurance policies.