Read this from a friend on facebook today. I could predict the entire thing after reading the first paragraph.

In a mother’s womb were two babies. One asked the other: “Do you believe in life after delivery?” The other replied, “Why, of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later.”
“Nonsense” said the first. “There is no life after delivery. What kind of life would that be?”

The second said, “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths. Maybe we will have other senses that we can’t understand now.”

The first replied, “That is absurd. Walking is impossible. And eating with our mouths? Ridiculous! The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. But the umbilical cord is so short. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded.”

The second insisted, “Well I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here. Maybe we won’t need this physical cord anymore.”

The first replied, “Nonsense. And moreover if there is life, then why has no one has ever come back from there? Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. It takes us nowhere.”

“Well, I don’t know,” said the second, “but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us.”

The first replied “Mother? You actually believe in Mother? That’s laughable. If Mother exists then where is She now?”

The second said, “She is all around us. We are surrounded by her. We are of Her. It is in Her that we live. Without Her this world would not and could not exist.”

Said the first: “Well I don’t see Her, so it is only logical that She doesn’t exist.”

To which the second replied, “Sometimes, when you’re in silence and you focus and you really listen, you can perceive Her presence, and you can hear Her loving voice, calling down from above.” - Útmutató a Léleknek

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My response: 

Twin 1: Do you believe that when we leave this womb that we will be able to fly and that our umbilical chord will stay attached and that we will never ever die but live for eternity?
Twin 2:'s possible but why should I believe that?

Twin 1: Well once we are free from the womb there should be no limits on our movement. Why couldn't we fly?

Twin 2: We can't really know until we get there no? And the umbilical chord. I guess it makes sense that we will keep it. But then maybe not.

Twin 1: How else will we have oxygen in our blood and nourishment.

Twin 2: I don't know. Maybe there is an answer...maybe not. But what makes you think we will live forever?

Twin 1: How could there be an end?

Twin 2: Well we were triplets but one of us just sort of shrank away.

Twin 1: Oh yeah I forgot. But maybe that was his special way of being born.

Twin 2: I guess so. We'll have to wait and see.

Twin 1: You'll find out that all of my answers are right.

Twin 2: All three of your specific answers will be true?

Twin 1: They must be. It's really all or nothing.

Twin 2: We will see.

Twin 1: How can you not take a stance on any of this. Your life must be so empty not believing in anything.

Twin 2: We're rather limited inside this womb and we are pretty unabe to confirm or deny any of this. I'd rather wait and see.

Twin 1: Like I said...there must be no spirit or meaning in your life.

In our English composition class we were once asked to write about our dog and a guy handed in a sheet with only one sentence. We don't have a dog.

I could just tell the friend, we have no record of babies talking in wombs


Definitely an aside, but I heard that an education professor on final test day handed out a sheet that said only "What would be a test suitable as a final test for a class like this?"

One student got up almost immediately and handed his test in. It said "I would ask my class 'What would be a test suitable as a final test for a class like this?'"

Could she have given him anything other than an A?

Although it is flawed reasoning, I like the piece because it is craftily written and makes you think about how to refute it successfully which improves your own critical thinking skills.

I also like your reply, Davis. The straw-man in the analogy is that the second baby in the womb is always characterised as absolutely rejecting the first's ideas instead of adopting a position of understandable skepticism.

In fact the first baby is leaping to all sorts of unfounded assumptions (which the writer can make because they actually know what's going to happen after birth). From a position of true ignorance the first baby's claims are as outlandish as any made about life after death and the second is correct to be skeptical. However, the second is portrayed as outright rejecting the claims which is equally fallacious.

The second said, “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here...

How do they know what light is? It's not like living in a cave, is it?

Cute. I guess this is trying to point out that: maybe our current existence is just like a womb, and we eventually get delivered into the next life. The difference being that babies can, in fact, hear their mother while in the womb. And the mother generally does not demand that you make no graven images of her.

I like the picture the best... artistic and without any of the "your being closed minded and ignorant" pretense that the text conveys.

Looking at the picture, I can see that babies are f***ing big.  I wouldn't like to push one of those out.  Big up to all mothers. 

When a baby is born, it gets stretched out. The biggest problem is the head. Once the head comes out, the rest of the body is somewhat tadpole shaped and fairly squirts out. If the baby comes out head last (a breached birth), this is a problem that often used to result in the death of both the baby and the mother. Nowadays, mothers are encouraged to have babies in, or at least near, a hospital, where there are pretty standard medical procedures for solving that problem safely. The birth canal is (I won't say designed) naturally suitable for delivering babies. Subsequent births are generally much easier.

I forgot to mention that baby's skull bones are rather soft and almost cartilage-like. Often babies have somewhat egg-shaped or slightly cone-shaped heads when born due to the pressure of the birth canal. Within 48 hours or less, the shape becomes much more round. 


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