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Permalink Reply by Janet Richter on May 10, 2011 at 3:17am

I agree totally but everyone has to responsible for themselves and those they involve themselves with.  I am not against consensual sex (amongst adults, not including animals) but take some responsibility that your partner is of like mind.  Nobody should use another "just for sex" if that is not the same expectation of their partner of the moment.  We should always treat any other person with respect.  My opinion as a survivor of an unlawful act upon my person by someone I trusted (not a homosexual experience but still relevant).  And it wasn't one hell of a ride.  My point is to always be respectful, experimentation is natural, it is okay, just make sure your partner is on the same page.

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Permalink Reply by Shamari on May 10, 2011 at 3:53pm

I also fear the contempt that my family would also pour on me if (or when) they found out that I had acted on such feelings. I know it's none of their business, but I don't know which one would hurt more for them: my atheism or sexual experimentation.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on May 10, 2011 at 4:44pm

When a family member pours out their contempt at a 'loved one' finding some joy in a simple pleasure that hurts no one and is nobody else's business, I have to ask why we even refer to family as 'loved ones'.

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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on May 10, 2011 at 5:07pm

Obviously they frame the scenario differently in their heads.  It seems like 'love' is quite often a very fucked up and dysfunctional thing.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on May 10, 2011 at 5:13pm

Yes, well around mother's day I hear a lot of self righteous proclamations about the unconditional love of a mother and I nearly want to puke.  If my own experience with that fallacy were unique I could chalk it up to aberration, but after years of volunteering with organizations that provide services to various groups of need I have come to realize that mothers can often more easily discard their children than they can the trash with whom they choose to share their bed.

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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on May 10, 2011 at 5:26pm

I dislike the expression 'unconditional love'.  I would say being my mother's child is actually a pretty significant condition.  In a biological sense, that bond can't be severed, but in a symbolic sense it can be.

 

But that's not my point.  Love is a feeling.  Just because someone experiences that feeling doesn't mean it guides them to moral or principled behavior toward the people they love.  "Do person X and I love each other?" and "Do person X and I have a healthy relationship with each other?" are two very different questions.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on May 10, 2011 at 5:44pm

Well, for me, love is something that I feel for a person that isn't based on aspects of their life that aren't a part of mine.  I have a cousin whom I love as a brother and there isn't anything he could do that would change that - although he could, and has, convinced me to leave him alone.  If I found out tomorrow that he was a serial murderer of children I would be incredibly repulsed by his crimes but I would still love him and wouldn't want him to get shot by the police or beaten to death in prison.  I would love to still exchange letters with him and read his hilarious rants about all sort of things.  When I hear of parents who never want to hear from their children again it just always makes me shake my head.

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Permalink Reply by Shamari on May 10, 2011 at 5:11pm

Good point. I guess it really comes down to the struggle between their close-mindedness and your right to live life however you want. When I was religious I didn't know how I'd deal with it. Being religious is crutch.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on May 10, 2011 at 2:55am

Love thy neighbour.

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Permalink Reply by Benny on May 10, 2011 at 3:34am

Personally I am not attracted to men at all but wouldn't dare judging anyone on who is attracted to the same sex.

 

Many people who claim to object homosexuality are simply hypocrites that tell their neighbor how upset they are about same-sex marriage and then go online to watch some lesbian porn.

 

I thought a bit about why in general lesbians are considered hot but two males getting jiggy(FYI I love that word) and came to the conclusion that female-female relations are seen as a very sensual and very feminine and therefore attracts a lot of male attention  but a male-male relation makes men look less manly.

 

That is just my humble opinion about this matter

 

And YES, I do enjoy lesbian porn.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on May 10, 2011 at 3:39am

I don't know - I haven't seen much man on man sex, but what I have seen looked about as manly as it could look because there were, surprise surprise, only men on which to look.

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Permalink Reply by Benny on May 10, 2011 at 4:19am

That's not the point.

Imagine you were a straight male. Let that sink into your mind a bit. Think about beer, football and fart as loud as you can. Now you're in the right mood.

As a male you are very competitive because you want to show the world how superior to other men and therefore manly you are. You simply feel the need to show dominance over pretty much everything.

Now think how manly a guy must look who is getting banged by another guy.

 

This is obviously a bit exaggerated but that's what I mean when I say it makes men look less manly.

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