I am about to enter into a nursing program and so have been taking an introductory course on it.  For this course we had to attend presentations made by senior nursing majors that were essentially designs for research projects based on peer-reviewed articles but not actually carrying the research out in the real world.  This is the senior project and it places an emphasis on "evidence-based practice," which has been important in elevating nursing as a profession.

While looking at these presentations, I decided to go over to the one that talked about Therapeutic Touch (TT).  I thought at first that it was talking about the effects of a hands on approach to nursing that was examining the effects of touch on patients.

Nope.  It was actually about TT as a way to manipulate some sort of energy field that somehow extends beyond the human body yet isn't one of the fundamental physical forces or anything else that is recognized by science.  I held my tongue since his evaluator was listening at the time and the presenter noted that the evaluator knew all about it.  I was staring at them because it was so odd to see an open display of belief in something with, as far as I know, no evidence to support it (apart from religion).

I remember watching an episode of Penn & Teller Bullshit that dealt with new age medicine and such.  In the episode, they have a girl on who has/had the Guiness world record as the youngest person to have research published in a medical journal.  At age 9 she showed that 21 practitioners of TT did worse than chance at being able to blindly guess whether her hand was over their right or left hand.  They only guessed correctly 4.1/10 times on average.  That happened in '98.  Yet studies continue to be done on the effects of TT while still making the claim that practitioners can sense a universal human energy field or something and then make a patient better by manipulating it.

This seems like a horribly unscientific thing to do for a profession that is trying to back up its practices with evidence-based research.  It's false and gives patients false hope.  If the benefit of it is the placebo effect, then it should be taught in such a way that practitioners know this and understand how to use it without teaching a lie to a patient.  However, it appears that proponents of it are still making miracle claims.

So I suppose I'm nervous that I'm going to have to fight against bullshit like this while learning and while practicing.  I want to be able to call "bullshit" when I see something like this, but I think that it would ruffle to many feathers.

Does anyone here work in nursing (or medicine) and see anything like this?  What are your thoughts on TT or other "alternative" or "new age" "medicines"?  Have you ever dealt with nurses or doctors who insist on wasting your time with these things?

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I think I had a 'merkaba' once. If memory serves, does it have unsual markings on the ventral side, that seems to demand 'touch here? ;p)

As long as they leave the class devoted to "happy endings" in, I'm all for massage therapy. ;)

Just so you know, the second someone starts making jokes like that, just about any LMT's gonna bite your head off, since you're making a joke about their career making them a prostitute. Considering that's still how a lot of people unfortunately view massage and how we still get people who come in hinting at that and seeing what harassment they can get away with, it's not that funny. LMT's (legitimate ones) are health care providers, not Hooters girls.

Not to diss on the Hooters girls. I'm sure most of them are lovely individuals. 


I'm just letting you guys know so that when you're in the middle of a massage and you make a joke like that, you're not surprised if they stop the session and tell you to put your clothes on and meet them up front to pay full price and leave immediately. Lol up to you.

Sense of humor anyone? 

You're treating me like I'm an idiot who doesn't know that happy endings don't go for real masseurs/masseuses. I think everyone here knows that. THAT is the context that makes it a joke.

I know exactly what you said and how you meant it. And when you are sexually harassed by someone a foot taller and a hundred pounds heavier than you at your job, you can joke away all you want. In the mean time it's not something most people in that situation would find "humorous". putting a winky face after a stupid remark doesn't excuse the stupid remark.

We all understand that as well. 

RE: "You're treating me like I'm an idiot" - hmmmm

Perhaps there's some hidden meaning behind this?

With Unseen, you never know --

He's never been known for his good taste --


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