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Permalink Reply by Go Away on August 24, 2012 at 10:30am

"Listening" to you guys talk is very amusing to me.  I came here looking for reasons for atheism but instead I just find reasons against it.  

Why would anyone wish, as you say, for human beings to be nobler than they are?  Where would the idea of nobility even come from?  For a Christian, that's easy:  we were created for nobility.  For an atheist:  we weren't created at all, we evolved through factors of random chance acted on my natural selection.  

Nobility has nothing to do with it!  Nobility makes no sense, you shouldn't even be talking about it.  I don't understand.  As a biologist, I think I understand natural selection and evolution theory quite well.  For human beings to be longing for nobility goes directly against the idea of natural selection.  It is counter productive!!

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Permalink Reply by kOrsan on August 24, 2012 at 10:35am

Yeah, you were created for nobility. The universe was created for you. You're the center of the universe. The sun revolves around you.

Oh wait.

I find it very amusing that you think nobility is something inherent, something you are born into. You might be better off staying at your local church, they'll appreciate your naive arrogance there.

And if you're a biologist who thinks we were made with magic and a handful of dirt... lol

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Permalink Reply by Go Away on August 24, 2012 at 11:11am

Ha ha, are you kidding?  Seriously?  I said this is the Christian view, I didn't say it was mine.  I came on here wondering if the atheists had anything better. 

I never said nobility was something inherent. It is the others on here who are talking about it.  Right now, religion doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  But some of the stuff that gets talked about on here is even more unreasonable. 

What is wrong with you that you are unable to read what someone writes and understand it?  Sorry, but don't try to put it on me.  What I said was pretty plain.

Get a grip.

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Permalink Reply by kOrsan on August 24, 2012 at 11:38am

You can't know whether it's unreasonable or not since your views are warped as a theist.

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Permalink Reply by Becca on August 24, 2012 at 11:09am

If you look up the words noble and nobility in a dictionary the in definitions I see nothing that would prevent any human being regardless of their position on god from being noble and/or having feelings of nobility. Nobility for an atheist is a human emotion or condition not something granted by a god.

If you came to hear reasons for being an atheist then you'd be better off starting a thread asking us why we are atheist. Or better yet visit that section in some of our profiles so we don't have to restate our reasons for the billionth time.

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Permalink Reply by Go Away on August 24, 2012 at 11:19am

Well, I apologize.  But I'm not looking for people's reasons why they are atheists.  I'm just looking to understand things about life, the same as everybody.  But I when I see something that doesn't seem internally coherent, I question it.  You may not see any reason why it isn't coherent, but I do.  If a person isn't welcome to question that or discuss it, that's fine.  But then the site shouldn't be called "Think Atheist", it should be called "Don't Think Atheist."

Thanks, I'll move on.

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on August 24, 2012 at 3:43pm

Don't move on, Go Away, stick around and question what I've said at least.  I need people to knock it down and pull it to pieces. 

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on August 24, 2012 at 6:10pm

First, "Go Away," you'll have to excuse kOrsan - most of his comments are angry, sarcastic and bitter.

Secondly, why, in the emails I get, telling me you've commented, does it say you're "Elisabeth Decima." rather than, 'Go Away"?

Lastly, Simon started this discussion because he's curious about, and/or researching the Human condition, and is seeking comments and opinions. If you're looking to find topics concerning reasons for becoming an atheist, there are many that we've had and are likely archived somewhere - you'll just have to search.

If, on the other hand, you want to taste vanilla, and from that, decide you don't like ice cream, then of course, that's your prerogative - we've never yet forced anyone to stay and participate.

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Permalink Reply by kOrsan on August 24, 2012 at 11:44am

Damn, I didn't check your profile before. It says age 13-18.

That explains quite a lot, including that you're not a biologist. I have no time for teenies.

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on August 24, 2012 at 3:44pm

We can learn a lot from teenies.

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Permalink Reply by kOrsan on August 24, 2012 at 4:18pm

Yeah, I'm sure they have it all figured out.

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on August 24, 2012 at 3:42pm

Go Away -  please ignore Korsan. 

"Why would anyone wish, as you say, for human beings to be nobler than they are?  Where would the idea of nobility even come from?"

I just want to see how things are: and how noble human beings are is a factor in analyzing and determining explicit rational motivations for human goodness. 

"Nobility", a vague word, refers in this case to disinterested altruism. 

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