The economy in the United States is in a collapse.  The Capitalist system does not work anymore; banks have become more powerful than our politicians.  The government now has a policy based around Fear and Greed.  The rich are getting richer and more powerful, while the great masses of America wallow in poverty.

Must we continue to exist in this passive state, only living to serve the rich and powerful?  Or do we, the great masses, stand up against the policies Fear, and Greed, and God?  We must break the bonds that separate us, we must pull down the centers of Greed and Fear and we must pull down the houses of God.  These borders are created to separate us into individuals where we can be controlled easier.

We must stand up, against the tyranny of the centers of Greed, and Fear, and God.  Quoting John Adams:  "People should not fear government, government should fear people."  Once we stand up to Fear, to Greed, to God, we will become united!

This being said, I advocate the collapse of the Capitalist system and the foundation of the United Socialist Federal Republic, in which the government will exist to serve the people.  Capitalism is Dead.  We must put it out of it's misery and move on toward Socialism.

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"You mention "me" a lot. "

Damn straight I do, because I am a person and I have a voice that counts just as much as yours, pal; and I have every right to speak out. I do not speak for others and deny them their voices because that is rude. So I have not usurped the voices of others in my same boat.
"Victim blame much? You'd fit right in with the Teabaggers who engage in the Rand Paul stomp. Proud of yourself for it?"

~Yawns~

Yes. JSH.
Of course. Not only do you bow down to this magical entity called 'luck' but you also think you have ESP and you can tell my political alliance by a single post that called you out on your shitty behavior.

My god.
You aren't even amusing anymore.

Oh well. At least you proved my point.
Not that it's so much of a big deal. I mean, I was just saying what everyone else was thinking, anyway.

((See.. THAT'S the way you put words in people's mouths. ))

You are your own worst enemy. After reading everything you've written in this discussion, I can't help but come to the conclusion that your life is how it is for a reason. The reason is YOU.
You are your own worst enemy. After reading everything you've written in this discussion, I can't help but come to the conclusion that your life is how it is for a reason. The reason is YOU.

That is my leading hypothesis as well.
This is where I was before reading this discussion:
Poverty is the leading cause of crime in America. It is in the best interest of our country in specific and humanity in general to see that every person has food, water and shelter that is safe. Every child should have basic education provided for them.
Now, I was never so sure about HOW this ought to be done. Taxes? Well, yeah. I guess. Better than a poor house, right?
Now after reading this, I'm not so sure. Charity (and make no mistake, that is EXACTLY what we are discussing in regards to the most recent splinter discussion) is a very personal thing. It isn't my responsibility to provide for another person's child.
I don't have a whole lot of expendable income. That's a big part why we decided to be a childless couple.
Forever.
If I can't afford my own kids, why the fuck should I be legally obligated pay for yours? Now, in some respects, I still feel that basic education is everyone's responsibility. I don't believe in making a child pay for the lack of birth control responsibilities of the parents. But this conversation has really highlighted another little seed that was growing in my mind.
Those that want an education will get one. Those that do not will not. Luck is bullshit. I don't care if you have to walk five miles a day to sit in a library to get educated. If that burning desire is in you, then you'll find a way. I shouldn't have to pay for your higher learning if you aren't worth it.. Show up to class. Study hard. Get good grades. If you aren't that bright, then you are going to have to work harder. That's life. The decision is yours.
ALSO...
It's not my job to pay for your cigarettes. It's not my job to pay for your internet. It's not my job to pay for ANYTHING outside of your most basic survival.Hell, even that isn't my "job" but like doone said in another discussion...no one wants to live next door to the poo flingers. My life is safer if you aren't starving.
But the rest of it? That should be my choice.
As a human, I should look at another human in need and feel a desire to help. We are pack animals. That means by nature we are altruistic to a certain degree.
I know this is from a humor site, but some of their info is pretty good.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18766_5-creepy-ways-animal-societies...
Even animals have a basic payment system for their services. Even animals recognize when a member isn't just refusing to pull their own weight, but also acting like an asshole on top of it.
I shouldn't have to pay for luxuries for people that have a misplaced sense of entitlement.
Now, I'm going to clearly say that despite my rather harsh tone before, I know very little about the person on the other side of the screen. JSH might well be a decent person who works hard but can't seem to find any breaks. If that's the case, I wish her the best. Why she appears to turn into a person that flies off the handle and verbally abuses anyone that doesn't agree with her could just be because the internet is not her best medium of expressing ideas.
That brings me to my next point.
This entire discussion made me realize just how important the title of advocate is.
It is very difficult to be receptive to a message that's coming from someone you can't empathize with.
I can't empathize with JSH.
Yes, there are other issues, too. I take offense to anyone demanding that I give them money (which is essentially what's she's doing with her $30/mo CAP program.) when they have money to spend on cigarettes. (Reinforcing my belief that I'm only morally obligated to pay for the basic living necessities, not luxuries. Especially not luxuries that complicate the health of a person that's claiming to be ill or injured and who takes government assistance from me to subsidize those medical bills.
Now, please don't confuse this with the personal issue of what a person puts in their body. I'm a HUGE supporter of doing whatever the fuck you want with your own flesh. I enjoy recreational drugs. I don't always eat the healthiest.
But I do it on my own dime.
If I have to pick between buying weed and paying the full amount for my electric bill, I'm going to pay the full amount of my electric bill.
I'm not going to cry victim and place that burden on someone else.

When you take on the title of advocate, you always lead by example. Sometimes you teach people what to do by role model behavior.
Sometimes you teach people what NOT to do by role model behavior.

And so I thank you, JSH.

I've already filled out my mail in ballot for the Nov. 2 general elections.
But this discussion has really made me stop and think.

I'm tearing up this ballot.
I'm pulling back the 'yes' votes for some of the welfare issues I originally voted for.
I don't think it is my place to tell other people who and how to give. I think it should be their choice...and mine.
In these situations, anyway.
The money I save on the welfare packages (if they don't pass) I'm going to donate to a program of MY choice.
Where people don't spend money on cigarettes while asking me to pay for their electricity.

Democracy is great.



Thanks, everyone. Life is an education. Everything you say matters. Remember that.
I need to remember that, too.
So many of the points brought up are absolutely valid concerning your posts. You sound like me when I was a practicing dope fiend , me me me . None of what happened to me could have been brought on by me it was always someone else or something else. Could it be that when the doctor "threw the papers" back in your face you may have possibly thrown your anger and frustration in his thus making him feel as if he were being held accountable for your circumstance at the time?
As for my errors and bad choices a 15 year old is hardly capable of seeing the long term effects and consequences for mistakes made in youth. But I made them none the less and am living proof that adversity can be overcome.
It's also not about me anymore it's about US and what we can do to make the planet a better place . Which brings something to mind .....I thought this discussion was started to discuss just such a thought but appears to have been strayed far from the topic
As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.
~ George Orwell
The same can easily be said regarding an advertisement for capitalism.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

While capitalism has it's flaws when unchecked it still has distinct advantages. With my pretty much half federally funded half borrowed college education and the right certifications i can make 5X what my dad made in a year. Under socialism everyone is on a level playing field and the drive to succeed diminishes. Sure there are greedy and corrupt bastards who should give back such as Gates and Bennett have done but we can't legislate morality nor can we legislate generosity. One thing i like about capitalism is that it is possible for someone who was born poor can achieve better financial success than their parents.

Would i a vast fortune you can bet i would give as much as i could to those less privileged because it is good and honorable to do so as it pushes the society forward. The problem isn't capitalism it's materialism.

Give me a small house, a computer with internet, books and music and i'm as happy as a fart in an elevator.
Shine, you're kidding yourself if you think that anti-discrimination laws prevent age discrimination from occurring. You just won't have any actual proof of it when it happens to you.
Arguing that no one will hire you despite a college degree is nonsensical following a rant about not being able to access education.

An astute observation, Shine. But, I'd be kidding myself if I believed that it wasn't par for the course for you.
Fair enough. It depends to a large extent on what industry you hope to enter. When I was in my late 20s I hired a number of people to work for me in my group, and before the interviews we were coached by HR how to avoid asking questions that could be interpreted as trying to determine the applicant's age. Definitely it was something that we would guess at anyway, and some managers in my company were uncomfortable hiring people only a few years older.

Where I now live in Japan, OTOH, employers do not have to hide their discriminatory practices. Want ads include age ranges and I've been told to my face that I was too old for a job (even when I was in my early 30s). Fortunately you will not have to confront anything like that.
It depends to a large extent on what industry you hope to enter.

And even that can be a crap shoot. My wife aimed for a field that had been traditionally recession proof. Not this time, though.

And when certain fields are in high demand, one has to cross their fingers that by the time they finish studying and getting a degree for that field that it still has that demand. Think of a person graduating with a computer science degree right as the dot com bubble burst. Yikes!

Want ads include age ranges and I've been told to my face that I was too old for a job (even when I was in my early 30s). Fortunately you will not have to confront anything like that.

Wow. Well, I guess it does depend on the industry. Peak earning years for Americans are from 35-55 years of age. At 33, I'm one of the younger people in my company. I can't imagine being turned down for a job based on my age at the moment.

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