The United Socialist Federal Republic?
The economy in the United States is in a collapse. The Capitalist system does not work anymore; banks have become more powerful than our politicians. The government now has a policy based around Fear and Greed. The rich are getting richer and more powerful, while the great masses of America wallow in poverty.
Must we continue to exist in this passive state, only living to serve the rich and powerful? Or do we, the great masses, stand up against the policies Fear, and Greed, and God? We must break the bonds that separate us, we must pull down the centers of Greed and Fear and we must pull down the houses of God. These borders are created to separate us into individuals where we can be controlled easier.
We must stand up, against the tyranny of the centers of Greed, and Fear, and God. Quoting John Adams: "People should not fear government, government should fear people." Once we stand up to Fear, to Greed, to God, we will become united!
This being said, I advocate the collapse of the Capitalist system and the foundation of the United Socialist Federal Republic, in which the government will exist to serve the people. Capitalism is Dead. We must put it out of it's misery and move on toward Socialism.
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Permalink Reply by Matt Coulthurst on -
Oh wow, you managed to reply in such a constructive manner that I am put to rout and now I have to crawl back into my dark little corner of the internet to cry.
Care to tell me why they're bullshit?
As far as I can see this discussion isn't about democracy - it is about a revolution to invest some kind of horizontalist socialist-libertarian fantasy state. Democracy and classless socialism don't work together.
1. If robots and automation were capable of farming to the extent of producing food for over 250 million people (or even the fraction that won't farm for themselves), then why are they not doing so?
2. See above re democracy.
3. See above re democracy.
4. You completely missed the point of the question. And in doing so invalidated your own democracy argument.
Got any more?
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Permalink Reply by Greg Gorey on -
Who said free markets failed? What happened was that the feds were bullying corporations into making loans to people who could not pay them back. This was followed by Bush and Obama failing by using stimulus.
If anything, socialism failed and did so badly.
No offense Andrew, but your post sounds like that of a high school kid that has only read Nietzsche and Marx. I'll give you a college spoiler from intro to econ: socialism doesn't work in big countries. It only works in already wealthy small countries, like Norway and Denmark.
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Permalink Reply by Andrew Lafont on -
The failing stimulus is the affect of Greed, interacting and effecting policies. Corporations are the centers of Greed, and they become powerful and thus push things that will benefit them the most.
True that Socialism is difficult to achieve fully in large countries, the United States is a interesting country. Though large, the United States has a system in place which allows the U.S. to trade with multiple countries allowing--in a Capitalist view--money to traded for goods. The United States has this money, it is the Corporations that have taken the money.
In the new Socialist Federal Republic, the money will be taken from Corporations, all land will be taxed, including Church lands, the money will be taken from the rich and be used further advance the resources that we create, which in turn will assist the betterment of humanity.
Quite simple, really.
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Permalink Reply by Greg Gorey on
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The failing stimulus is the result of economic principles that can be learned in econ 101. Greed has nothing to do with it and is the foundation of a healthy economy.
"hough large, the United States has a system in place which allows the U.S. to trade with multiple countries allowing--in a Capitalist view--money to traded for goods. The United States has this money, it is the Corporations that have taken the money."
What does that even mean? Money being traded for goods is waaay older than capitalism. free Market economics came together in the 18th century. Money has been around for at least 2,500 years. The corporations didn't take anything, people exchanged the money for goods and services....
Corporations are great for the USA. Wal-Mart for instance provides almost 2 million jobs and keeps down inflation rates better than the fed. The private sector is just more efficient and taking money away from it would collapse the USA similar to what happened to the soviet union. When the USSR took all of the resources away and redistributed them like you are talking about, they could not feed their people and a famine took place that killed around 20 million people.
For every job created by the government through taxing, corporations could have hired 5 people. This is because competition drives efficiency. Come on dude, this is very remedial economics. Have you taken any macro-economics classes in college? Because you seem to be blissfully unaware of how economies work.
This kind of lack of knowledge is the type of stuff that conservatives make fun of people for not understanding.
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Permalink Reply by Andrew Lafont on
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Well Greg, I am still in High school and I have not taken any economic classes, so why don't you explain how economics works without your personal input on how the world should be run. Neutrality is very nice thing. :)
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Permalink Reply by Greg Gorey on
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go to college. that wasn't my opinion, i only listed numbers ;)
If you want to change something fight for legalized marriage, drugs, and separation of church and state.
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Permalink Reply by Seth B Rollings on -
I think im going to have to agree with greg, if you want something you MUST change it gradually when dealing with the public. No one is going for total socialism.. they just aren't buying into it.. >.> change the hearts and minds of the public..then you can try and change the government.
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Permalink Reply by Andrew Lafont on
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The seeds needs to planted, Seth. We must put the idea into the minds of the people, and the people will begin to think.
Though it will come slowly, the people will begin to rise.
However this thinking will lead to a revolution--do you honestly think the rich will give up their power so easily?
Then it will be the old Capitalist system vs The United Socialist Federal Republic. When this movement gains enough backing, it will lead to a revolution.
But the seed must be planted.
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Permalink Reply by Seth B Rollings on
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The seeds are already planted, no one cares about anything as it is. If you want to make a difference make people care.
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Permalink Reply by Clifford Stanley Heath jr on -
I give you an Atheist amen on that!
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Permalink Reply by Reggie on -
Corporations are great for the USA
Yes and no. To make such a sweeping statement like that I have to wonder if you meant it that way.
Corporations are great in many aspects, but they are not always great for "America". Wal-Mart is not great for "America" when it has decimated the middle class with their 2 million low paying, low benefit jobs that have eliminated whole towns' worth of businesses. I wish Wal-Mart would follow the Costco model. Costco has better sales per square foot than Sam's Club partly because they compensate their employees well with the added benefit that they don't have to worry about unions.
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Permalink Reply by Jason Paisley on -
True, there are some companies that are models for beneficial capitalism. Publix stores in the Southeastern US follow a similar model. They grew slower than their union competition and are fiscally conservative and as such are more stable, offer better benefits and have happier employees who are also owners of the company as their stock is privately traded. They also have never had to shut down a store due to the store not doing well and when they do shut a store down as the did in Nashville it's because they moved it for customer and employee safety.
Recessions are inevitable in capitalism you have periods of joy and misery whereas in socialism you have nonstop misery. I have a few friends who lived in the former Soviet Union and they hated it. One told me how a drunken bum came into his and his mom's house to live and they were not allowed to let him leave.
Even with it's flaws i'll take capitalism.
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