So recently there was an email sent out (by my father, to the rest of the family) and it was basically saying that all Democrats hate god and blah blah blah, nation dying blah blah blah, here are some bible verses. After some intense discussion where most of my family shat on my beliefs and called me stupid, I started a discussion with my father asking him to not include me on these types of emails in the future. He then said that I need to change my ways and I emailed him back instances where religion has failed and should not be involved in government. This was his response:
"Trust this clarifies."
Of course it does. For myself I 'feel' love it's emotional. Conditions on the other hand are concepts that are part and parcel to our own individual paradigms.
Many of us have and do love deeply and that is to be treasured and protected as best we can.
But for a human to claim to be capable of "unconditional love" toward another human for an entire lifetime is a level of hubris that I cannot not bring myself to rise to. I guess I've live too long and seen too much to entertain the idea that any human is capable of such a feat, so I remain skeptical of the phenomenon.
RE: "I guess I've live too long and seen too much to entertain the idea that any human is capable of such a feat, so I remain skeptical of the phenomenon."
And that makes me wonder on which side of these posts the pain really lies --
It's not a question of finding it Greg, I already have it, for my own children. I feel it and show it regularly. I guess I'm not adequately expressing what I'm trying to say, as my point seems to be missing it's mark.
I'll try one last time. If Amanda's father tells her he won't love her unless she behaves and acts as a Christian, I'm saying he loves the image of Amanda as a Christian, not the REAL Amanda, who is a multitude of things, not just a cardboard Christian cutout. If he truly loved the REAL Amanda, he'd love her, even if she were Republican!
For Amanda to accept this, believing, as you say, that "conditional love is better than no love at all," she would only be deluding herself into believing her father's psuedo-love was real. and spend her - or at least his - life, knowing that if she steps a foot too far to the right or the left of this path her father envisions for her, the love ends - what kind of neurotic life would that be?
I'm sorry we're miscommunicating, I wish I could express myself better. I love unconditionally, on a daily basis, no pain here.
In fact, I believe one of the reasons I became an atheist as a teenager, was that, upon reading the Bible, it became obvious that if I can love love unconditionally, and god clearly can't or he wouldn't have need of the concept of sin or to send his son to die an agonizing death, then I'm the superior being, because I can do something that god can't. In such a case, why should I worship him? (You understand, that I speak of god as though he were real, as I'm trying to demonstrate the process my teen-age mind went through, "back in the day")
I'm glad that you love your family so deeply, that's a good thing.
I don't accept the "unconditional love" concept, I can't picture an absolute ideology like that, it's a bit too nonsensical for me.
I don't personally know Amanda nor her Dad so I can't speak for them. I hope Amanda and her Dad can find enough common ground to love each as best as they can, conditional or not.
On that, we both agree.
Here, Amanda - have your Dad watch this on YouTube (he probably wouldn't care to watch it on TA):
What a wonderful video.
Refreshing, isn't it?
Ask your Dad something for me Amanda - if you're born again, do you have two belly buttons?
Goddamit, arch, that was both stupid and hilarious. F you for making me giggle just then.
Actually Stutz, you'd be surprised just how often those two phrases are used to describe me --
Problem is, his descriptions all begin with, "Uhh..."
Yep, just that little old air-freshener, me --