Although this discuss is in the main forum (despite being MMA related) this is more in depth than just the MMA world, or even the celebrity world. This is about women, and the barriers that seem to always throw us down and knock us out, no pun intended...

This is about the Rise and Fall of Ronda Rousey...

Ronda Rousey has quickly become one of my favorite people on the planet. She was open, honest, cunning, witty, strong, confident, inspiring, dominant, a bitch (at times), beautiful, and she became a superstar based on her ability to take out opponents in a matter of seconds, better than most of the men in the same sport.

And now the world is turning on her.

For those who do not know her story, she was an Olympian. The first American to medal in Judo. She was raised by a mother who is overbearing at best, and verbally abusive at worst. Her father committed suicide when she was 8. Although her mother's perfectionist style caused her to constantly try to be better, she found herself struggling in the arms of abusive men, (and still is unfortunately,) an eating disorder, and a warped body image. Despite all of these things, she kicked ass. Everyone loved her...

Now, everyone is mocking and scorning her. Overnight. Right after she was knocked out by Holly Holm (GO HOLLY!!! #BURQUE - you go girl!!!!)...anyway, lol....before Ronda Rousey could even leave the Octagon and be transported to the hospital, she found herself being ridiculed on twitter and facebook, etc.

And over the last several days, she has been HAMMERED (no pun intended) by rude comments, and verbally assaulted by the masses. Was she any more aggressive than (say) Conor McGregor towards Jose Aldo? No, actually McGregor has been FAR more offensive towards him...and he's REVERED LIKE A KING FOR IT!!! (He is pretty hot, lol)....And even though she refused to touch gloves before the fight with Holly, and even though she chewed her out at the weigh-ins, is that really any different than what we see in MMA from some of the men at times? And can you really expect her to be perfect? No one is perfect. Even Holly Holm is saying, "Leave the chick alone, if it wasn't for her women wouldn't even be IN MMA, so stop dogging on her, because she did for women's sports what no one had done before..."

It's just quite honestly amazing to me to see someone as such a media darling, lose her reputation and fame overnight just by losing.

You can use whatever excuse you want...but the truth is that it's because she's a woman.

So is the glass ceiling really shattered? Or are we just pretending it was ever reachable to begin with?

What do you think?

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I agree with you. Cocky is viewed as a positive attribute for men, but not so much for women. Hell, I'm not sure I am even ready to see women beat the living crap out of each other, but I'm working on it....

If you're right, why do you think this happens to women but not men?  Is Ronda Rousey's situation unique, in that there has never before been a Ronda Rousey?  She was the nation's sweetheart and now she's fallen out of favour.  But I truly don't understand why everyone would turn against her, unless it's just jumping on the loser. 

I'll always love Ronda Rousey.  She's a fallen hero, and that's a good thing.  It's almost better than being a "hero". 

She exuded a level of self confidence that made Her look amazing while she was winning in 14 seconds. But as soon as she got beat down now (overnight) people are treating her as if she has no talent, no skill, no legacy, and is just an arrogant bitch.

It's really pissing me off. Do you think if Conor McGregor loses to Jose Aldo in December, he will lose everything and be trash talked?

Do you think if Conor McGregor loses to Jose Aldo in December, he will lose everything and be trash talked?


Yes he'll be trashed even more than Ronda, since he is the king of trash talk.

Also, I don't think Rousey did herself any favours by refusing to touch gloves. It's a big show of disrespect... even Mcgregor touches. 

Do you think if Conor McGregor loses to Jose Aldo in December, he will lose everything and be trash talked?

Here's something you might be missing, Belle.... I don't follow MMA or any sport really... but I know who Ronda Rousey is. I have no idea who Conor McGregor, or Jose Aldo, are. That's a significant impact on the world and legacy, in my opinion.

Conor McGregor is a master at mental warfare, shit talking Irishman. Jose Aldo is a short, undefeated (for 10 yrs) Brazilian. Leading up to this fight Conor McGregor has done nothing but verbally insult him - FAR worse than ANYTHING Ronda has EVER said about ANYONE....

And if Conor loses, I guarantee you he will not suffer the keyboard warriors the way Ronda did.

Belle, I'm afraid you may of missed my point here. I'm saying Ronda has had far more impact on the world that either Conor McGregor or Jose Aldo could ever hope to. She's certainly not left without a lasting legacy.

People have already got something against her, because she's a woman?  They won't forgive her when she fails, because she's already in the wrong, or on borrowed time, or just there to prove everyone wrong? 

I think some people just react to a braggart getting his comeuppance.  

When Mayweather and Pac was on, many many boxing fans just wanted to see Mayweather get his ass kicked BECAUSE he was always talking about how great he was.

If a person trash talks, beating them is more satisfying essentially.

So, while trash talk in the sport is very common, men get the same response....if you act like you're the greatest, and you fail, a LOT of people will gleefully enjoy your being put in your place, etc.

He thought he was so great, and he got his ass kicked...and so forth.

Rhonda is getting that now, not because she's a woman...but because its human nature.

Remember, its not EVERYONE jumping on her...its a few individuals who are the kind who would ALSO do that to a man (Mayweather for example), if the man lost a fight.

Add to that that some fans are mysogenistic, and sure, there can be some stupid comments, but, really, in this case, I think its just the repurcussions of trash talk in general.

the truth is that it's because she's a woman.

What makes you think that? Public opinion can and will change exceedingly quickly for just about anyone. I don't see how a person's gender would make that any different.

So is the glass ceiling really shattered?

If you define the glass ceiling as being allowed to step into a cage and beat the shit out of another human being, yes. I think women's MMA will be around as long as there are women to be in it.

I'm not big on brain-damaging sports and don't follow them closely, so I only watch when I'm looking for an adrenaline rush. From the little I've heard about Rousey, when I heard she lost and got hurt I just assumed she'd be back one day anyway. Just hearing now about her not touching gloves, I'd say she was setting herself up for a psychological fall from arrogance. I'd say the same about male competitors.

still can't believe some of the youtube comments I read (on any topic), no matter how much I admit there are a few assholes out there that do it for some kind of attention. Are many of these disses on her coming from bonafide sports writers?

In any case, yeah, there's still a glass ceiling. But I'll still be rooting for her, if she can be humble. (You, for example are kickass! but humble.)

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