A while back a man was beaten to within an inch of his life in Augusta, GA. This weekend a fund raiser was organized to help with the medical costs of weeks in the hospital.
The organizers wore a T-shirt with the following: God gives the hardest battles to his strongest soldiers.
Do they not realize that this means that the beating was sent by God? How is this not insane. Who could possibly want to believe in this horrendous creature?
The t-shirts are spot-on in accordance with the Bible. If we look at poor Job, first god takes everything he has and kills all ten of his children, and then he allows Satan mess with his head and body. Then god says ok, you passed-here is a new family! Job is referenced in the Gospels as well.
All religions have to explain why a powerful god allows bad things to happen to good people. So a test of faith is the obvious answer.
Angela Evangella pointed me to a site, "Tales from the New Asylum: Truth?" in which a psychiatrist worked with a BiPolar prisoner who had been falsely imprisoned for years, until DNA finally cleared him, after spening 12 years in prison. Some time later, he met him again - the man's response?
“Well . . . it’s over now, doc. I know the truth. My heavenly father knows the truth. And I got justice. All those years . . . that was my test.”
What kind of a god takes 12 years of your life, as a test? And what would there be about him worth worshipping?
It was good of those people to set up that fundraiser - good on them.
"God gives the hardest battles to his strongest soldiers".
"If we look at poor Job, first god takes everything he has and kills all ten of his children, and then he allows Satan mess with his head and body. Then god says ok, you passed-here is a new family!
Do you know what this sounds like to me
( I cant help reading psychology into anything godly )
It sounds like what psychologists call resilience, the ability to prosper and build again after extreme hardship or loss. Because the sorts of catastrophies that Job faced would have been more common then but even now from events like bushfire or tsunami wiping out whole families etc. How do people bounce back from things like that?
The need for human resilience is what that means I reckon.
It's not resilience, it's being pathetic. Resilience is when bad shit happens to you and you don't bow your head or immediately look for a hand to hold like a sniveling bitch. Trying to rationalize the bad things that happened by saying some masochistic make-believe deity is testing you is not just arrogant, it's also pathetic.
Basic logic. Theists fail at it like they fail at everything else. One day they might put two and two together. But first they have to learn how to count.
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
William Ernest Henley
God is a sadistic misanthrope, I thought you knew.
There is nothing good about the story of Job. God does not come across very well in the story.
Whose ever idea it was that dead children can be easily replaced with new children, clearly saw children as property or simple extensions of their father, and not as the pieces of our hearts that they actually are.
Or as unique individuals in their own right.
"There is nothing good about the story of Job." "God does not come across very well in the story."
God isn't real - God wasn't (really) there when that happened to Job. The thing that does not comes across well in the story of Job is life itself..
Carl Jung says that if man does not keep looking forward, his psyche becomes stuck in the past and he dies too soon. Most people in Jobs situation would want to shrivel up and die and some people in Jobs situation find the resilience to move on and rebuild.
There is nobody that gets helped by God after a catastrophe - you need to help yourself.
I think this passage from Carl Jung, talking about death is incredibly profound and it remind me of the story of Job.
Carl Jung says: "Well...you see I have treated many old people and its quite interesting to watch what their conscious doing with the fact that it is apparantly threatened with the complete end. It disregards it. Life behaves as if it were going on and so I think it is better for old people to live on...to look forward to the next day; as if he had to spend centuries and then he lives happily, but when he is afraid and he doesn't looks forward; he looks back. He petrifies. He gets stiff and he dies before his time, but when he's living on, looking forward to the great adventure that is ahead, then he lives. And that is about what your concious is intending to do."